Edinson Cavani - ST- PSG (7 Viewers)

[Hust]

why not? he'll be rejuvenated here.
especially since united want to buy him out. we've managed to breath life into many stars people thought were on their way down.

Crazy wages. Spend the money on someone younger to partner Morata for the next decade

 

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[Knowah]

Verratti would cost much more than 30M, true.

Watch more of Paolo Dybala, though. Get BeIn for 20 bucks a month, you can commit one month at a time. Great streams of every game in the league in English (plus every Ligue 1 match, ever Liga match, CONMEBOL action, etc.).

This isn't about the South American hype train, the kid is going to be sublime. I think another team will pay 40M this summer, which is why I'm praying Beppe can find a couple parts to include, and seal this deal ASAP. We'll probably miss out.

In terms of productivity, even if you just counted his goals so far this season, he's already more productive than Iturbe was all of last year. Iturbe had 8 goals, and 4 assists. It's not like he blew the doors off the league, and remember, Iturbe's stats were padded because he played with Toni.

Dybala has 13 goals and 10 assists right now. He's nearly twice as productive so far, in fewer games.

Way more intelligent, way more composure on the ball. Fantastic technical ability, someone mentioned he likes his left, that is not an issue, he's good with both feet. He is a reference point for that team, and truly the type of player you can build offensive strategies around. Real deal!





I can't agree anymore, brother. He's a great player, was outstanding for Napoli, but I think the circumstances are wrong now. Also, Morata, if you look at is U-numbers, was potting almost a goal a game. He's going to be a volume scorer, and he's developing a really nice work ethic. If he decides this is where he wants to be longer term, I think he'll do great things for the club.

I don't want to bring in Cavani for huge money, on huge wages, with a huge ego, and have him disrupt the wage structure -- and very likely the development of the 2nd best young player on our squad. Cavani is great, but I think that ship has sailed. Juve will need that money later, to keep all of these young, developing stars that we're currently enjoying.

I like where we are right now, and I would be trying to sign Tevez's understudy/partner/eventual replacement -- one Dybala, please!

I have BeIN and, over the course of the week, I usually watch every Serie A, most Bundesliga, and a few La Liga games.

From what I've seen I would say Dybala is interesting and promising. Talented for sure. But no where near 30m. He hasn't proven himself in any capacity beyond the hype. I'll ask you - where was this Dybala hype last summer? Why no talk of him then? He got minutes. Answer. He was largely unimpressive. Now, the system has changed in his club and he has developed. But he hasn't done it over any period of time. And he's even started to taper off in terms of production recently. And yet we're talking like 40m would be a steal for him. You say if we don't get him another club will for 40m. Well, that may be true. But other clubs have spent 40m on busts and one-year-heroes before too. Thing is: we can't make that kind of a mistake. We can't afford a 40m for a player who turns out to be a flash-in-the-pan.

You compared him to Iturbe in terms of production and, while I believe that fair, I was only using that comparison in terms of the hype. The hype HERE was very real for that kid and he was linked to English clubs and such too. Look how expensive that flop turned out for Roma.

But I'll do a performance comparison of my own. Berardi. Italian. Not as flashy. Not as sexy in terms of name hype or ethnicity hype.

16 goals last year, 6 assists. 11 goals this year, 6 assists. He's played less than Dybala this year (about 500 minutes less) and has two goals less. And he's done it for almost two years in a row now. Does he have the hype surrounding him like Dybala? No, he does not. But he's done it for two years now and, more importantly in my mind, he's cheaper so we can afford to take a risk and not be stuck with a 40m flop. Last ten games for Dybala: 2 goals, 4 assists. Last ten games for Berardi: 6 goals, no assists.

Nobody can say how Dybala will turn out. Nobody. But we can say he has improved greatly this year compared to last. But in such a small window of work, how can we excuse spending 40m on him? Because we think he might grow to be a superstar and worldbeater? How many careers can we name of youngsters who score 20 goals (which Dybala probably won't even hit this year) who then were bought and sold for millions and disappeared? Marlet? Jeffers? Robinho? Veron? Carroll? The list goes on and on and on.

Are we financially in the position where we can (or SHOULD) gamble 40m on a youngster who has proven nothing beyond 75% of a year where we're already seeing his production drop off? 2 goals in last ten matches and he's worth 40m? You're hoping Beppe can find a couple parts to include and seal this deal? Come on, let's be better than that. I'd rather miss out on Dybala and he becomes that 1 in a 100 youngster who has one good campaign, lives up to the hype and becomes a superstar than fro us to spend 40m on him and he becomes that 50 in 100 youngster who has one good campaign and becomes mediocre or that 49 in 100 youngster who has one good campaign and becomes average.

 

[Suns]

Crazy wages. Spend the money on someone younger to partner Morata for the next decade

meh, he's obviously not going to get the same crazy wages if united want buy him out

 

[only-juve]

@Knowah �� pretty much agree with everything you said.

Every season a new hyped up young player emerge from Serie A who every Serie A fan keep talking about just so that he'll disappear the next season or two.

Ever since Melo days (remember that shiit head) who was hyped to the max and we spend 25 mil on stupidly and regret it afterwards. Last season it was Iturbe and I remember that I've rated him yet and wanted him here but when the numbers were thrown were close to 30 mil I just hoped we don't buy into him because that was one expensive risk (which turned out to be eventually).

20 - 25 mil should be the max we should pay for dybala, anything more than that then we're simply playing with fire here.

 

[Xperd]

Benteke is overrated as heck though

I was mainly talking in terms of age,resale value(this matters for Juventus as much as people dont like to admit it).Was alluding to the fact that these are the profile of players we should be looking for IF we can afford to spend big money that is.

 

[JuveJay]

20 - 25 mil should be the max we should pay for dybala, anything more than that then we're simply playing with fire here.

I really doubt we'll offer more, anyway, not with a year left on his deal. I bet we don't even offer that much in cash. If Palermo want more and some dumbass team want to pay it (I'm looking at you, Roma) then good luck to them.

 

[zizinho]

I have BeIN and, over the course of the week, I usually watch every Serie A, most Bundesliga, and a few La Liga games.

From what I've seen I would say Dybala is interesting and promising. Talented for sure. But no where near 30m. He hasn't proven himself in any capacity beyond the hype. I'll ask you - where was this Dybala hype last summer? Why no talk of him then? He got minutes. Answer. He was largely unimpressive. Now, the system has changed in his club and he has developed. But he hasn't done it over any period of time. And he's even started to taper off in terms of production recently. And yet we're talking like 40m would be a steal for him. You say if we don't get him another club will for 40m. Well, that may be true. But other clubs have spent 40m on busts and one-year-heroes before too. Thing is: we can't make that kind of a mistake. We can't afford a 40m for a player who turns out to be a flash-in-the-pan.

You compared him to Iturbe in terms of production and, while I believe that fair, I was only using that comparison in terms of the hype. The hype HERE was very real for that kid and he was linked to English clubs and such too. Look how expensive that flop turned out for Roma.

But I'll do a performance comparison of my own. Berardi. Italian. Not as flashy. Not as sexy in terms of name hype or ethnicity hype.

16 goals last year, 6 assists. 11 goals this year, 6 assists. He's played less than Dybala this year (about 500 minutes less) and has two goals less. And he's done it for almost two years in a row now. Does he have the hype surrounding him like Dybala? No, he does not. But he's done it for two years now and, more importantly in my mind, he's cheaper so we can afford to take a risk and not be stuck with a 40m flop. Last ten games for Dybala: 2 goals, 4 assists. Last ten games for Berardi: 6 goals, no assists.

Nobody can say how Dybala will turn out. Nobody. But we can say he has improved greatly this year compared to last. But in such a small window of work, how can we excuse spending 40m on him? Because we think he might grow to be a superstar and worldbeater? How many careers can we name of youngsters who score 20 goals (which Dybala probably won't even hit this year) who then were bought and sold for millions and disappeared? Marlet? Jeffers? Robinho? Veron? Carroll? The list goes on and on and on.

Are we financially in the position where we can (or SHOULD) gamble 40m on a youngster who has proven nothing beyond 75% of a year where we're already seeing his production drop off? 2 goals in last ten matches and he's worth 40m? You're hoping Beppe can find a couple parts to include and seal this deal? Come on, let's be better than that. I'd rather miss out on Dybala and he becomes that 1 in a 100 youngster who has one good campaign, lives up to the hype and becomes a superstar than fro us to spend 40m on him and he becomes that 50 in 100 youngster who has one good campaign and becomes mediocre or that 49 in 100 youngster who has one good campaign and becomes average.

while i want us to sign Dybala (not for 40M, 25M + Goldaniga and some other youngster maybe at most) i agree with what you said

 

[Rollie]

I have BeIN and, over the course of the week, I usually watch every Serie A, most Bundesliga, and a few La Liga games.

Wow, bud! Where do you find the time? That is awesome. I don't get access to the Bundesliga games on the streaming account. Would love access to those, but don't rock cable tv

From what I've seen I would say Dybala is interesting and promising. Talented for sure. But no where near 30m. He hasn't proven himself in any capacity beyond the hype. I'll ask you - where was this Dybala hype last summer? Why no talk of him then? He got minutes. Answer. He was largely unimpressive. Now, the system has changed in his club and he has developed. But he hasn't done it over any period of time. And he's even started to taper off in terms of production recently. And yet we're talking like 40m would be a steal for him. You say if we don't get him another club will for 40m. Well, that may be true. But other clubs have spent 40m on busts and one-year-heroes before too. Thing is: we can't make that kind of a mistake. We can't afford a 40m for a player who turns out to be a flash-in-the-pan.

It doesn't sound like he's been tapering off the past couple of weeks, it seems like he's been involved in basically all of Palermo's goals -- with assists, or creating the buildup. Also hit a couple posts, if memory serves, but I didn't catch the games myself. Just watched highlights.

40M isn't a steal for him, it's what I believe another team is likely going to pay for him. It's a ridiculous market out there, we know that. When the rumors first started popping up, I was thinking 25M plus bonuses would be about the deal. It doesn't sound like that is going to cut it, although Zamp is full of shit, so who knows. His agent was indicating there were other interested parties, though.

Really don't think we'll spend 40M on him, but I really don't think he'll bust, either -- wherever he ends up.

You compared him to Iturbe in terms of production and, while I believe that fair, I was only using that comparison in terms of the hype. The hype HERE was very real for that kid and he was linked to English clubs and such too. Look how expensive that flop turned out for Roma.

I didn't just compare the two in terms of production, though. One is far and away a more intelligent player on the pitch. Also, more poise on the ball, better vision/passing, better movement off the ball, better close control, ability to change speeds, a better finisher... he's a much better player, as far as I can tell. Solid work ethic, and he's a leader for that team, you can tell by the way he interacts with his teammates.

But I'll do a performance comparison of my own. Berardi. Italian. Not as flashy. Not as sexy in terms of name hype or ethnicity hype.

16 goals last year, 6 assists. 11 goals this year, 6 assists. He's played less than Dybala this year (about 500 minutes less) and has two goals less. And he's done it for almost two years in a row now. Does he have the hype surrounding him like Dybala? No, he does not. But he's done it for two years now and, more importantly in my mind, he's cheaper so we can afford to take a risk and not be stuck with a 40m flop. Last ten games for Dybala: 2 goals, 4 assists. Last ten games for Berardi: 6 goals, no assists.

I like Berardi. Doesn't have the same level of technical ability, doesn't create for others in the same way. Plays a different style of game. From what I have seen, he's no Dybala, and I see him as more of a winger moving forward... but I like him. That will be an interesting decision for Beppe

Nobody can say how Dybala will turn out. Nobody. But we can say he has improved greatly this year compared to last. But in such a small window of work, how can we excuse spending 40m on him? Because we think he might grow to be a superstar and worldbeater? How many careers can we name of youngsters who score 20 goals (which Dybala probably won't even hit this year) who then were bought and sold for millions and disappeared? Marlet? Jeffers? Robinho? Veron? Carroll? The list goes on and on and on.

It's a fine list, and that's a fair point. It would be nice to see a larger body of work.

I see weak mentalities on that list, and a few situations that were the result of teams bidding against themselves to secure the player. It happens, no doubt about it.

Are we financially in the position where we can (or SHOULD) gamble 40m on a youngster who has proven nothing beyond 75% of a year where we're already seeing his production drop off? 2 goals in last ten matches and he's worth 40m? You're hoping Beppe can find a couple parts to include and seal this deal? Come on, let's be better than that? I'd rather miss out on Dybala and he becomes that 1 in a 100 youngster who has one good campaign, lives up to the hype and becomes a superstar than fro us to spend 40m on him and he becomes that 50 in 100 youngster who has one good campaign and becomes mediocre or that 48 in 100 youngster who has one good campaign and becomes average.

First of all, not a lot of 21 year old's are the 2nd most productive player in one of the top leagues, more than 3/4 of the way through the season -- so this isn't quite a 50 in 100 situation, or however you'd like to characterize that. You have to admit that this guy is a little bit more of an outlier than that, just based on his production alone. This is not a good season productivity wise, this is a great season.

Every big purchase is a gamble -- but you and I don't have the type of information about this player as those closer to the situation do, so it's a little harder to do an accurate risk assessment. As in, character/maturity level, training habits/lifestyle, etc. Can he handle the pressure that comes with the jersey, the money, the fame. When players flop, those are often big contributors -- as well as the inability to feel comfortable in a new environment/climate/culture, learn the language, etc... which Dybala already has on lock down.

I think it comes down to us just watching the game through different eyes. When I watch Dybala, I see a future superstar. I never saw that with Iturbe, and I haven't seen that yet when I've watched Berardi -- I haven't seen that at this point.

I could totally be wrong though, bud. In these discussions, in the end mostly just gotta go by what you see. We rate this guy differently, but that's what makes life interesting

 

[Hust]

meh, he's obviously not going to get the same crazy wages if united want buy him out

Yet falcaos are guaranteed to be high?

 

[Suns]

Yet falcaos are guaranteed to be high?

falcao would be nice too although i want a SS if tevez leaves

 

[Mister]

@Mark have you read di marzio's article on how we can afford to sign cavani without selling Pogba?

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/serie-a...si-sulla-sostenibilita-finanziaria-dei-costi/

 

[Xperd]

Not able to deduce much from google translate.Would've liked a proper translated version of that article.

 

[Siamak]

falcao would be nice too although i want a SS if tevez leaves

Not worth the risk.We cannot afford him with the way others spend

 

[zizinho]

@Mark have you read di marzio's article on how we can afford to sign cavani without selling Pogba?

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/serie-a...si-sulla-sostenibilita-finanziaria-dei-costi/

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@AlexJuventino

 

[alexjuventino]

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@AlexJuventino

Ill sum it up lol, due to the new serie a money, sponsorships and cl money, we can afford it. He also mentioned that Juve have met with his intermediaries

 

[Mark]

Ill sum it up lol, due to the new serie a money, sponsorships and cl money, we can afford it. He also mentioned that Juve have met with his intermediaries

 

[alexjuventino]

Funny Mark

 

[zizinho]

falcao would be nice too although i want a SS if tevez leaves

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calc...et-limits-tevez-never-said-he-wants-to-leave/

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Ill sum it up lol, due to the new serie a money, sponsorships and cl money, we can afford it. He also mentioned that Juve have met with his intermediaries

Ill sum it up lol, due to the new serie a money, sponsorships and cl money, we can afford it. He also mentioned that Juve have met with his intermediaries

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double post from double account?

 

[Völler]

Ill sum it up lol, due to the new serie a money, sponsorships and cl money, we can afford it. He also mentioned that Juve have met with his intermediaries

 

[alexjuventino]

That was my post dolphin boy