Domenico Berardi (48 Viewers)

[jukazem]

But here is the issue for Juve: are we a club whose purpose is to develop players who may turn out to be either stars or flops? Or is our priority to win with the best abilities with the best XI we can field? Are we a farm, or are we a performance factory?

These are hard questions that must be addressed, because there are top clubs that win with their best players ... and then there are clubs that develop younger talent with the risk that they might live to their potential or not, and they profit or lose based on the outcome of that. It's much rarer to find clubs that choose to develop young players at the expense of more mature and qualitatively better substitutes that could help them win more trophies in the more immediate term.

the other part of my post would have addressed it imo. Madrid can affrod to give Varane, Morata, Carvalho a chance because of Cr7 and co can undo any mistake of the youngsters. Barcelona can give chances to Cuenca, Montaya, Barta and others because Messi and co and undo any mistakes of theirs. PSG can play Verratti or Marquinhos because they have Ibra and Thiago Silva to take care if it in case things go wrong, ManUtd too gave plenty of youngers a chance when they had a formidable team but now they can't afford to do that because they are behind now. Juve currently is finally in a similar formidable situation in SerieA. Juve can afford to play youngsters now not in 11/12, in a few years time with Pirlo, Buffon retiring and other problems maybe the opportunity will be gone. Youngsters can be tried out either when the team is overpowered or when their no other choice but rebuild with youngsters.

 

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[MikeM]

I personally don't want to lose any momentum of the last 3 years. The most important thing is to keep increasing revenue. You do that by winning. We don't need a revolution or anything like that to win Serie A and make it to the QFs in the CL.

It's important to focus on winning Italy and doing well in the CL to get to Pot 1. Then you build some sort of cushion where you can break in young players because you'll have more revenue to surround young players with even better players and you'll build a bit more of a trust or understanding with your fan base. They will remain loyal if you have to break in youngsters for a year.

I think we have to resist some sort of mini-rebuilding project for another year at least. We can win the league next year and advance out of the CL group stages possibly without any changes at all. We'll increase revenue and be close to Pot 1 where we're even likelier to get out of the group in the future. That will increase CL revenue even more.

 

[swag]

the other part of my post would have addressed it imo. Madrid can affrod to give Varane, Morata, Carvalho a chance because of Cr7 and co can undo any mistake of the youngsters. Barcelona can give chances to Cuenca, Montaya, Barta and others because Messi and co and undo any mistakes of theirs. PSG can play Verratti or Marquinhos because they have Ibra and Thiago Silva to take care if it in case things go wrong, ManUtd too gave plenty of youngers a chance when they had a formidable team but now they can't afford to do that because they are behind now. Juve currently is finally in a similar formidable situation in SerieA. Juve can afford to play youngsters now not in 11/12, in a few years time with Pirlo, Buffon retiring and other problems maybe the opportunity will be gone. Youngsters can be tried out either when the team is overpowered or when their no other choice but rebuild with youngsters.

But ... but .... but... but we don't have a Ronaldo, a Messi, an Ibra...

 

[Zacheryah]

But here is the issue for Juve: are we a club whose purpose is to develop players who may turn out to be either stars or flops? Or is our priority to win with the best abilities with the best XI we can field? Are we a farm, or are we a performance factory?

These are hard questions that must be addressed, because there are top clubs that win with their best players ... and then there are clubs that develop younger talent with the risk that they might live to their potential or not, and they profit or lose based on the outcome of that. It's much rarer to find clubs that choose to develop young players at the expense of more mature and qualitatively better substitutes that could help them win more trophies in the more immediate term.

What you just said, is THE key question that the juventus board has to decide an answer for.

Its very important that the fans make up their mind wich choise they make in that regard.

Wanting Berardi here, but giving him bowel if he doesnt perform, is wrong.

Lack of budget and choices in the market are probably forcing juve to get him back 1 season earlier than expected . But that could even be a good thing for him like it happened for pogba we din't have too many options and when marchisio got injured pogba took over , less competion for him will give him more opportunities .
Ofcourse he needs to mature so that he does not suffer under pressure but conte managed pogba pretty well by not starting him as soon as he came and i think berardi will be handled the same way .

One extremely important thing here, is the maturity.

Pogba, and for example Tielemans, are very mature, very mentally balanced (on the field), pretty consistant aswel. They dont always shine or stand out, but they always do the tasks they are assigned with, and dont fail there.

Berardi is not there yet. He'll get there with many games. If we give him those games, we need to accept he's going to have alot of horrible games along the way

 

[PedroFlu]

This is such an obvious decision, ffs.

Bring him in, he'll start as a rotation player and an option for 2nd half. If he proves himself in training and matches, he'll earn his spot.

2yrs old, full league played at a shitty team with awesome numbers.

Bring him in. Will be awesome for squad depth and options.

 

[Zacheryah]

This is such an obvious decision, ffs.

Bring him in, he'll start as a rotation player and an option for 2nd half. If he proves himself in training and matches, he'll earn his spot.

2yrs old, full league played at a shitty team with awesome numbers.

Bring him in. Will be awesome for squad depth and options.

This is where its allready going wrong. Berardi will fail at juventus if benched. He isnt ready to compete for a starting spot yet. If juventus gets him, he must play and play alot. Else he'll stagnate in his development.

Never put a youngster on the bench that isnt ready. Only put players there who are ready to challenge for a playing spot

 

[Mister]

One extremely important thing here, is the maturity.

Pogba, and for example Tielemans, are very mature, very mentally balanced (on the field), pretty consistant aswel. They dont always shine or stand out, but they always do the tasks they are assigned with, and dont fail there.

Berardi is not there yet. He'll get there with many games. If we give him those games, we need to accept he's going to have alot of horrible games along the way

For maturity, him being in the company of buffon , pirlo , barza , conte and nedved will really help him i feel . Our locker room atmosphere is very positive all the so called bad boys like tevez and osvaldo have not had a single incident to even talk about .
With juve in the league and europe he can grow ,it makes a big difference to your confidence playing for juve instead of sassulo .
I do agree with you that his performances can be inconsistent but that depends on conte when and how he is used , i just feel that currently juventus is the right thing for him also next year you never know a new coach and things could change .
He is currently a rough diamond but what better place to polish him than juve ? .

 

[Zacheryah]

For maturity, him being in the company of buffon , pirlo , barza , conte and nedved will really help him i feel . Our locker room atmosphere is very positive all the so called bad boys like tevez and osvaldo have not had a single incident to even talk about .
With juve in the league and europe he can grow ,it makes a big difference to your confidence playing for juve instead of sassulo .
I do agree with you that his performances can be inconsistent but that depends on conte when and how he is used , i just feel that currently juventus is the right thing for him also next year you never know a new coach and things could change .
He is currently a rough diamond but what better place to polish him than juve ? .

Maturity in his play on the field, is 95% the player himself.

The "locker room" helps with maturity off the field, and help cover for the mistakes the young player makes on the field, but not in the maturity of the player his game, that is up to him.


Teams with many experienced players are often good for youngsters to come in. Because the old lads cover for them

 

[Mark]

one more year at Sassuolo - SKY

 

[Mark]

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[TrezJuve]

one more year at Sassuolo - SKY

warned for posting fake news.

 

[Mark]

You deleted your post. What's up with you and deleting posts?

 

[Mark]

 

[TrezJuve]

I don't know what you're referring to.

 

[Hust]

This is where its allready going wrong. Berardi will fail at juventus if benched. He isnt ready to compete for a starting spot yet. If juventus gets him, he must play and play alot. Else he'll stagnate in his development.

Never put a youngster on the bench that isnt ready. Only put players there who are ready to challenge for a playing spot

Pogba was given quite a bit of chances and it served him well, I don't see why Berardi wouldn't get the same opportunity?

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one more year at Sassuolo - SKY

And never step foot on the pitch in a Juve jersey. -Hustini

 

[Suns]

he has done his thing with the minors, now he needs to play for us..

 

[X Æ A-12]

would much rather bring him back then devote more of our cash to some other squad player. Dont really care if he gets to play a lot or not, that's his problem, the issue is that we have a full team without having to buy another peluso

 

[Scottish]

The important thing is that he gets games. When he comes here, he must play alot of games, or he's wasted. If we allow him to play alot of games, we'd better get another young winger or two to bank on, and agree this is a transitional year. Wich means more draws and losses and very bad games from the youngsters. Wich means we could miss out on the title.
Maybe its better that we do this, to launch an even better generations. But the fans must accept this, and not give him hell when he played like shit.

Someone who says "i want berardi here, and i will accept he'll have alot of horrible games, and i wont assault him for that, totally fine"


But alot of the people here, who spit fecies for the slightest fuckup , who shower a player with crap when he isnt having an awesome game, are now demanding berardi, and will give all of their bowel to him from the first day if he isnt peforming.

I agree with much of what you've written in this thread today, but on this point - he'd only be in one position. Of course every position is an important one, but it's not like having Berardi in our team would force us into fielding youngsters all over the pitch. I'm not really sure what you meant by the bolded part?

If he is coming for Conte's 433 then he would likely be on our RW playing what used to be Pepe's position. Tevez would be playing in Vucinic's position.

If we are thinking about a 4231 Berardi would either be on the right or the left. Probably on the right as Tevez would likely be in the centre of the 3, and Giovinco's natural position and where he did so well for Parma would be on the left of the 3 there.

This ^^ obviously doesn't get into what would happen if we signed an obvious starter winger like Alexis Sanchez as thats a discussion for another thread save for how it would affect Berardi's playing time which - I agree with you - is key.

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Pogba was given quite a bit of chances and it served him well, I don't see why Berardi wouldn't get the same opportunity?

Pogba being probably the only recent example of us doing a good job in handling a young player. Would love to see us do the same with Berardi. Bleed him into the team by giving him a fair chance to gain a starting spot. If he's got it then great we've got ourselves a top young winger. If not then who cares? He was cheap anyway.

 

[Hydde]

would much rather bring him back then devote more of our cash to some other squad player. Dont really care if he gets to play a lot or not, that's his problem, the issue is that we have a full team without having to buy another peluso

exactly.

Its better doing this than splashing millions just for the sake of it. Or getting eaten alive by the stupid prices of RM and Bercelona.

 

[Zacheryah]

Pogba was given quite a bit of chances and it served him well, I don't see why Berardi wouldn't get the same opportunity?

Jesus fucking christ how many times do i have to repeat this

Pogba was far more mature as a player, at a much younger age then Berardi and is likely double as talented

THEREFORE : Pogba was able to compete for a starting place. Berardi will NOT. If we get him, he must play all the time, regardless of how bad his last game was.


If we dont, he'll be the new giovinco. A useless crap at 27 who never really challenged for a starting spot.

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Pogba being probably the only recent example of us doing a good job in handling a young player. Would love to see us do the same with Berardi. Bleed him into the team by giving him a fair chance to gain a starting spot. If he's got it then great we've got ourselves a top young winger. If not then who cares? He was cheap anyway.

Lets assume all young players are as good as Pogba
In every position
We can just field primavera
Every player worth 50+mil at 21 years old
We become the best team in the world when they reach age 23
Because, if you handle youngsters well, they become as good as Pogba is today. It has nothing to do with individual potential and maturity, its all about handeling and giving them games