Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (44 Viewers)

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IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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The coin can be flipped and the same reasoning can be used to justify disbelief in God.

"God didn't heal my friend from cancer. This means God doesn't exist. This means I'm free to go root as many girls as possible, guilt free" - a few STD's later and the disbelief in God becomes even stronger :p
Let's flip that coin some more ;)

"Oh the great Lord saved our dear friend Larry and cured his cancer, God is so merciful! Let's all sing and praise the lord" Orrrr when Larry actually dies: "Today we say goodbye to our friend Larry who died from cancer but it was God's will to take him and have him by his side" :D
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
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Let's flip that coin some more ;)

"Oh the great Lord saved our dear friend Larry and cured his cancer, God is so merciful! Let's all sing and praise the lord" Orrrr when Larry actually dies: "Today we say goodbye to our friend Larry who died from cancer but it was God's will to take him and have him by his side" :D
Everyone's going to die eventually. It's very hard for all of us alike when close ones pass on. Having said that, the religionists do not take this life to be everything.
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
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:lol:



I got a question though, do you believe the Christian God is the same as Allah?
Certainly.

Arab Christians say "Allah".

Is there a difference in understanding between Christianity and Islam on the details of what "God" is. Yes - does that disprove his existence? No.

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How do you know that? There's people who believe in Zeus out there and their claims are just as valid as yours.
You're right there may very well be some. Who knows. No on here on the forum is arguing that though so it's irrelevant.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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How do you know that? There's people who believe in Zeus out there and their claims are just as valid as yours.
im not very familiar with the greek mithology but didnt Zeus apparently live on the mountain Olymp? so if i visit that mountain and dont find any Zeus there, would that prove that he doesent exist?
 

IliveForJuve

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Jan 17, 2011
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This was intended for zizinho.

At the time of Aristotle, people knew that waters of different density and salinity do not mix. A thousand years before Muhammad Aristotle wrote the following: "The drinkable, sweet water, then, is light and is all of it drawn up: the salt water is heavy and remains behind." Obviously the sailors navigating in that sea must have noticed the difference of color between the waters.

The verse indicates that "He" didn't understand the phenomenon at all. The sill of Gibraltar, the barrier that separates the Atlantic from Mediterranean is not responsible for not letting the two waters mix. The waters do not mix because of the difference in their density, salinity and temperature. Besides the separation of these waters are not permanent. The waters of various densities, salinity's and temperatures eventually mix. The phenomenon is short lived and is observable only when the two bodies of water meet.

Muhammad is not talking about the water of the Atlantic and the Mediterranean Sea. There is no mention of them in the Qur'an, so, it could be any two bodies of water. Was this phenomenon unknown to people at the time of Muhammad? No! This is an observable phenomenon. Anyone, who has seen a delta where rivers carrying colored sediments enter the sea or where two rivers of different colors or two seas meet, can see that for a long distance the two waters keep apart. There is no reason to believe that Muhammad had not heard of this wonder from those who had observed it. All seamen who shared their stories of their adventures had this knowledge.

The verse is not a miracle. It is a statement of something that was known being impressed but without understanding the physics behind it. It is clear to have been thought to be the work of a deity called Allah that keeps the waters apart.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
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At the time of Aristotle, people knew that waters of different density and salinity do not mix. A thousand years before Muhammad Aristotle wrote the following: "The drinkable, sweet water, then, is light and is all of it drawn up: the salt water is heavy and remains behind." Obviously the sailors navigating in that sea must have noticed the difference of color between the waters.

The verse indicates that "He" didn't understand the phenomenon at all. The sill of Gibraltar, the barrier that separates the Atlantic from Mediterranean is not responsible for not letting the two waters mix. The waters do not mix because of the difference in their density, salinity and temperature. Besides the separation of these waters are not permanent. The waters of various densities, salinity's and temperatures eventually mix. The phenomenon is short lived and is observable only when the two bodies of water meet.

Muhammad is not talking about the water of the Atlantic and the Mediterranean Sea. There is no mention of them in the Qur'an, so, it could be any two bodies of water. Was this phenomenon unknown to people at the time of Muhammad? No! This is an observable phenomenon. Anyone, who has seen a delta where rivers carrying colored sediments enter the sea or where two rivers of different colors or two seas meet, can see that for a long distance the two waters keep apart. There is no reason to believe that Muhammad had not heard of this wonder from those who had observed it. All seamen who shared their stories of their adventures had this knowledge.

The verse is not a miracle. It is a statement of something that was known being impressed but without understanding the physics behind it. It is clear to have been thought to be the work of a deity called Allah that keeps the waters apart.
the verse says 2 seas. what sea doesent have salt water. and what do you got on the other points?

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Like heaven was supposed to be in the skies?
tell me where in the Quran this is said (or in the Bible but im not very familiar with it)
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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im not very familiar with the greek mithology but didnt Zeus apparently live on the mountain Olymp? so if i visit that mountain and dont find any Zeus there, would that prove that he doesent exist?
He's a God. He can become invisible, fly to the clouds, turn into a mountain goat, etc.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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You're right there may very well be some. Who knows. No on here on the forum is arguing that though so it's irrelevant.
I just brought it up. Let's discuss it.

Hercules was cute. And I hate that Pandora bitch. If she hadn't opened the box, we'd all be fine!
 

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