Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (39 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sheik, I think most people would say that I am not a religious nutjob by any means. And I don't mean this as a complete dis. But even I think you -- at least when it comes to religious matters -- are more caught up with trying to be right and superior to others than you are about understanding things.

Would you ever get into a discussion and try to be wrong about yourself and be inferior to others? Are you also open to the possibility that I understand the arguments from other side and disagree with them not because of my arrogance, but because I am genuinely unconvinced by their arguments?

 

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[Martin]

Yep. And she's everything I'd imagine a sexy fighter pilot to be.

In bed...I get husted. I'm her bitch and I love it.

I'm still not buying this. Are you sure you're not lifting this plot from that Pacific Blue clone series where they had fighter pilots instead of cops?

 

[Maddy]

Not really, he's just gone from phase 1 to phase 2. Phase 1 is where you listen patiently to everything they say and try to make sense of it. And nothing makes sense of course. Phase 2 is where you ask your own pointed questions, which Sheik is doing.

anti-climax! whats phase 3??

 

[Hust]

I'm more of an agnostic. The believer part of me suggests there are interesting phenomenon where something innately human has a desire for the religious from parts of the world with no prior contact with each other, and it raises questions on what role that plays in human consciousness and the question of why it is there.

This is getting deep. Not sure how much more I can handle before I need to go vent in the player threads. I'm trying though.

So essentially you're saying that some things that happen, certain phenomenons that can't be explained are a result of something we don't know or may never know?

Have you ever seen the South Park episode where Kenny gets sent to an agnostic foster home?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Would you ever get into a discussion and try to be wrong about yourself and be inferior to others? Are you also open to the possibility that I understand the arguments from other side and disagree with them not because of my arrogance, but because I am genuinely unconvinced by their arguments?

The fact is your actions and responses show a disdain for believes and their arguments /beliefs so this is why people perceive you as closed off and arrogant

 

[ALC]

I absolutely agree with it. But let's be realistic. How easy is it in practice to not mix your belief systems with how society should be run?

It's been done. But a lot of places are still far behind. Hell, even US isn't all the way there yet. I see it changing with the next couple generations hopefully.

 

[Hust]

anti-climax! whats phase 3??

Husting*

 

[Martin]

anti-climax! whats phase 3??

I don't know, I think you'll know once you complete level 2. I mean phase 2.

 

[Hust]

I'm still not buying this. Are you sure you're not lifting this plot from that Pacific Blue clone series where they had fighter pilots instead of cops?

She's legit. She can land a plane capable of 1,181 mph that costs 67 million dollars on a 120 yard floating runway at night.

I can't contain myself right now

 

[Martin]

She's legit. She can land a plane capable of 1,181 mph that costs 67 million dollars on a 120 yard floating runway at night.

I can't contain myself right now

How about in an actual yard?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's been done. But a lot of places are still far behind. Hell, even US isn't all the way there yet. I see it changing with the next couple generations hopefully.

It can never happen as the whole foundation was built of Jude/Christian morals almost all our laws come from the basis which is the 10 commandments

 

[Martin]

It can never happen as the whole foundation was built of Jude/Christian morals almost all our laws come from the basis which is the 10 commandments

lol

 

[Hust]

How about in an actual yard?

Depends how large the yard is.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

lol

Why is that funny it is how the US Constitution and laws were formulated

 

[TrezJuve]

It can never happen as the whole foundation was built of Jude/Christian morals almost all our laws come from the basis which is the 10 commandments

Would you see benefits in living in a country that is secular? Say, the US becomes secular.

 

[Nzoric]

It can never happen as the whole foundation was built of Jude/Christian morals almost all our laws come from the basis which is the 10 commandments

 

[Kate]

It can never happen as the whole foundation was built of Jude/Christian morals almost all our laws come from the basis which is the 10 commandments

They are not solely Judeo-Christian morals, I share the value that we should not kill one another, does this mean that despite myself I must be a Christian? Those 10 Commandments themselves were written by human beings who wrote the Bible, which does indicate to me that it comes from human nature, our best interests as a species, placed into this guise of "Christianity" and now championed by it. Why does an idea of right and wrong have to be associated with a religious label, thus preventing us from distancing ourselves from some of the more questionable tenets of the faith.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Would you see benefits in living in a country that is secular? Say, the US becomes secular.

I do not know I don't have huge trust in human morality so probably not. I think humans easily grab for power and greed which leads to corrupt governments

 

[Martin]

Why is that funny it is how the US Constitution and laws were formulated

There were morals before Judaism and the morals in Judaism just inherited those.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

They are not solely Judeo-Christian morals, I share the value that we should not kill one another, does this mean that despite myself I must be a Christian? Those 10 Commandments themselves were written by human beings who wrote the Bible, which does indicate to me that it comes from human nature, our best interests as a species, placed into this guise of "Christianity" and now championed by it. Why does an idea of right and wrong have to be associated with a religious label, thus preventing us from distancing ourselves from some of the more questionable tenets of the faith.

Nzoric pic won't get bigger on tap talk can't make it out.

Kate your opinion on how or what they came to be is irrelevant. The founders saw them as Jude/christian morality and used that as guidance.