Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (41 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

One of religious beliefs could argue God giving humans "free will" was the reason for mans ability to discover and invent...natural curiosity. Still, my faith tells me that nothing was meant to be hidden from man (all that God created) because what significance would that be if everything was meant to be hidden. There would be no journey...just life.

I don't buy it. This claim is neither provable nor falsifiable. The fact still remains that men did all the work.

 

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[Hust]

I don't buy it. This claim is neither provable nor falsifiable. The fact still remains that men did all the work.

ergo why I said faith. Faith isn't always something you can see, or is tangible. It's faith. It's what you believe.

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I don't like this, go back.

This is why I don't post down this far in the forum. Too easy to get judged or made fun of.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

ergo why I said faith. Faith isn't always something you can see, or is tangible. It's faith. It's what you believe.

Then I have faith that god does not exist.

End of discussion.

 

[swag]

Bisco

10/10 post!

The thing is... Bisco gets a 10x credibility credit to begin with. Because if anybody should be able to express an opinion of how religion can f* over a progressive society, it's him. And he didn't go there...

(But enough with the Dane shit already. )

Soviets had the best scientists in the world, wtf you are talking about

Deployed on the nonsensical madness of megalomaniacs that did nothing to advance the country's civilized society out of the Vodka Age. That's like Renaissance Florence employing all their artisans towards creating Dolan cartoons.

right after you hold religion responsible for billions of deaths and preach about the terrorists, you classify the making of arms and bombs as fucking science achievements to be proud of? ain't that some logic man, choose a side already.

wut?

wut2?

I :heart2: Martin.

This thread has suddenly gotten a lot more interesting...

 

[Hust]

Then I have faith that god does not exist.

End of discussion.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. Just stating the other side of the fence, that's all.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. Just stating the other side of the fence, that's all.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong either. I'm just stating what I now believe on the basis of faith.

 

[Martin]

This is why I don't post down this far in the forum. Too easy to get judged or made fun of.

I've been duped.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Why are there so many atheists?

Because society dropped the ball. Atleast in the western civilization people were never really thought what it means to believe they were more focused in their jobs, materialistic stuff, etc. And now we have a bunch of people that dont understand the concept so they dismiss it rathet than learn about it. Sheik for example will never accept god, he just wants to be right. Its like talking to a brick wall but I understand its hard to face something unknown
This is one of the tragedies of the last 50 years. People are richer than ever on the outside but empty inside.

Best post ever

 

[ALC]

One thing I agree with RUS about is the separation of religion from government. I don't think it has any business ruling over countries and people.

 

[swag]

One thing I agree with RUS about is the separation of religion from government. I don't think it has any business ruling over countries and people.

I absolutely agree with it. But let's be realistic. How easy is it in practice to not mix your belief systems with how society should be run?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Best post ever

Hardly. He makes false claims about me and tries to paint me as an unreasonable person when I've repeatedly stated the opposite.

 

[Martin]

Why are there so many atheists?

Because society dropped the ball. Atleast in the western civilization people were never really thought what it means to believe they were more focused in their jobs, materialistic stuff, etc. And now we have a bunch of people that dont understand the concept so they dismiss it rathet than learn about it. Sheik for example will never accept god, he just wants to be right. Its like talking to a brick wall but I understand its hard to face something unknown
This is one of the tragedies of the last 50 years. People are richer than ever on the outside but empty inside.

So if someone doesn't believe in god he by definition does not understand the concept, is that your conclusion?

According to you it's not possible that all these people have in fact understood yet still don't believe?

And this you would describe as what? humbleness? on your part?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Hardly. He makes false claims about me and tries to paint me as an unreasonable person when I've repeatedly stated the opposite.

I should clarify not the part about you the last line about a bunch of empty people

 

[swag]

Hardly. He makes false claims about me and tries to paint me as an unreasonable person when I've repeatedly stated the opposite.

Sheik, I think most people would say that I am not a religious nutjob by any means. And I don't mean this as a complete dis. But even I think you -- at least when it comes to religious matters -- are more caught up with trying to be right and superior to others than you are about understanding things.

 

[Martin]

Sheik, I think most people would say that I am not a religious nutjob by any means. And I don't mean this as a complete dis. But even I think you -- at least when it comes to religious matters -- are more caught up with trying to be right and superior to others than you are about understanding things.

Not really, he's just gone from phase 1 to phase 2. Phase 1 is where you listen patiently to everything they say and try to make sense of it. And nothing makes sense of course. Phase 2 is where you ask your own pointed questions, which Sheik is doing.

 

[Zacheryah]

I tried finding if the PAK can do a verticle takeoff. I've seen an F22 do it before, its sick.

Agility will go to the Pak for sure, however the 35,000 pds of thrust from each Pratt & Whitney engine on the f22 is insane for its size. Problem going stealth for the Pak is if it's carrying external missles, but same can go for the f22.

As for the JSF35, won't take much to take that one out in a dog fight...but again that will also have very similar radar/avionic technology that the f22 already has. From what I hear the 6th generations are gonna be boss.

I'm dating an F-18 Super Hornet pilot and she even gives the russians major kudos for their fighter jets.

mwah, that F35 is just a way to sell some stuff foreign, as the f22 cannot be exported.
Its rather poor, apart from the stealth and vtol. its a supposed a poor man's stealth plane for country's that cannot develop one.

I'd love to read more reliabale news about that plasma stealth. Apart from it beeing so impressive they chose to drop regular stealth for agility cause it would compensate, i didnt read anything about it.
apart from the obvious american army of fanboys dissing it.

you really dated a pilot ? :tongue:

 

[Hust]

I'm not trying to prove you wrong either. I'm just stating what I now believe on the basis of faith.

Got it.

I've been duped.

I would never.

Sheik, I think most people would say that I am not a religious nutjob by any means. And I don't mean this as a complete dis. But even I think you -- at least when it comes to religious matters -- are more caught up with trying to be right and superior to others than you are about understanding things.

Are you a believer or just choosing to stray out of the discussion and not take sides?

 

[swag]

Not really, he's just gone from phase 1 to phase 2. Phase 1 is where you listen patiently to everything they say and try to make sense of it. And nothing makes sense of course. Phase 2 is where you ask your own pointed questions, which Sheik is doing.

I would actually agree with Phase 1 and that he's headed into Phase 2. But his version of Phase 2 is fed up with religious types (and who doesn't know how much that is tempting?) and switches from listening mode to a closed off, defense shield mode.

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Are you a believer or just choosing to stray out of the discussion and not take sides?

I'm more of an agnostic. The believer part of me suggests there are interesting phenomenon where something innately human has a desire for the religious from parts of the world with no prior contact with each other, and it raises questions on what role that plays in human consciousness and the question of why it is there.

But when many go "athiest" I suppose -- and where many stop listening and put up their defensive shields -- you stop asking those questions. And greater knowledge and awareness is never possible under those circumstances. Your brain is dead.... you've closed yourself off of any opportunities to learn anymore.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Not really, he's just gone from phase 1 to phase 2. Phase 1 is where you listen patiently to everything they say and try to make sense of it. And nothing makes sense of course. Phase 2 is where you ask your own pointed questions, which Sheik is doing.

I have to agree with swag , sheik argues for the art of arguing for the most part. He enjoys being a contrarian. His mind is made up his questions are just so he can try and convert a believer, which he deems absurd to a non believer which he sees as enlightened and logical

 

[Hust]

mwah, that F35 is just a way to sell some stuff foreign, as the f22 cannot be exported.
Its rather poor, apart from the stealth and vtol. its a supposed a poor man's stealth plane for country's that cannot develop one.

I'd love to read more reliabale news about that plasma stealth. Apart from it beeing so impressive they chose to drop regular stealth for agility cause it would compensate, i didnt read anything about it.
apart from the obvious american army of fanboys dissing it.

you really dated a pilot ? :tongue:

Yep. And she's everything I'd imagine a sexy fighter pilot to be.

In bed...I get husted. I'm her bitch and I love it.