Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (26 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

Ps this forum is definitely helping me purge my sins it's a form of hell sometime

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

My state is currently facing a bad drought caused due to shortage of rainwater, and dead crops as a result of it. Humans didn't decide to make the reasons stop. It's a completely natural phenomena(or lack, thereof). Either god caused the reasons to stop, or didn't bother to make it rain again. Either way, god is responsible. Worse, he chooses not to end it and make it rain.

You sure? According to most scientist which you put so much stock in. He climate change which is causing all this is man made. So which way is it is it God or man made climate change ?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well here is something that most believers don't want to touch on. Suffering is necessary and for some souls it is more necessary than others the suffering is a tool to help the souls receive the light. The problem is a lot of faithful want to paint a Rosie picture full always glorious days and that's not how it works. There can be no light without the dark. Also when there is nowhere else to turn, believe you me you feel that presence and know that you are not alone

If god feels suffering is necessary, then he ceases to be omnibenevolent, therefore he ceases to be god.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Thinking you know my motives shows your arrogance. I'm not good to get to heaven I'm good because loving my neighbor as myself is what should be done

I said "if". I don't know you that well. But that's what Christians do.

We're all going to suffer. If you believe in the hereafter, suffering in the world is a lot better than suffering up there.

Of course human beings are selfish, irrational and worldly creatures, so if you ask me would I rather be suffering in Burma or Somalia instead of living a comfortable life, i'd most definitely say no.

Then God favours Somali kid more than you

I understand that suffering here is better than hell. But it's not a prerequisite, is it? No. Soooo, the suffering is pointless. Why doesn't God wants us to be happy here and in heaven?

 

[Trequartista]

You sure? According to most scientist which you put so much stock in. He climate change which is causing all this is man made. So which way is it is it God or man made climate change ?

Droughts have happened throughout recorded history. Climate changes have nothing to do with what he said.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

If god feels suffering is necessary, then he ceases to be omnibenevolent, therefore he ceases to be god.

You're a bit silly with these terms. Se have never been used to describe God and you constantly say your silliness.

 

[Alen]

Sheik is so annoying in this thread that I even take AC's side in their arguments.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Droughts have happened throughout recorded history. Climate changes have nothing to do with what he said.

Natural things happen because of natural order. I was giving him an answer that is as silly as his questions half the time. We as believers don't have all the answers yet most if not all of the disbelievers act as if they do. That in itself is laughable

 

[Kate]

Question for the atheists here. If there is hell by any chance, do you think this guy will burn there or he'll go to paradise?

Only atheists can reply to this post. If a theist does it, then may 10000 curses fall over his head and may he eternally burn in hell.

A good stint of Purgatory, I think.

 

[Trequartista]

Natural things happen because of natural order. I was giving him an answer that is as silly as his questions half the time. We as believers don't have all the answers yet most if not all of the disbelievers act as if they do. That in itself is laughable

That's funny, because I think it's the other way around.

 

[Fred]

I said "if". I don't know you that well. But that's what Christians do.
Then God favours Somali kid more than you

I understand that suffering here is better than hell. But it's not a prerequisite, is it? No. Soooo, the suffering is pointless. Why doesn't God wants us to be happy here and in heaven?

We're just going around in circles. As for God preferring some Somali kid, i wouldn't think so. Things even themselves out i believe.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We're just going around in circles. As for God preferring some Somali kid, i wouldn't think so. Things even themselves out i believe.

Yeah, we are.

But he's definitely getting the better deal.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

A good stint of Purgatory, I think.

Probably

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That's funny, because I think it's the other way around.

You can think what you like

 

[Fred]

Yeah, we are.

But he's definitely getting the better deal.

Marchisio is overrated.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So if your child becomes a murder it's his fault and not yours. Funny
Also the supernatural doesn't live or have to abide by the rules of the natural hence the word supernatural look it up. Also I have told you multiple times just because your grasp of reality is small and limited don't put God in those limits

"Funny"? That's the best response you can give?

The supernatural is a figment if our imagination, used as a pseudo-answer to the questions we couldn't answer. It is asserted without evidence. So I dismiss it without evidence. All this "don't put God in those limits" argument is pointless. That's just stuff you theists use to dishonestly shift the burden of proof onto the critic when you cannot provide any proof.

How do I know if the supernatural is real?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

"Funny"? That's the best response you can give?

The supernatural is a figment if our imagination, used as a pseudo-answer to the questions we couldn't answer. It is asserted without evidence. So I dismiss it without evidence. All this "don't put God in those limits" argument is pointless. That's just stuff you theists use to dishonestly shift the burden of proof onto the critic when you cannot provide any proof.

How do I know if the supernatural is real?

Me and king Mirko don't agree on much but bro you really are annoying in this thread

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Question for the atheists here. If there is hell by any chance, do you think this guy will burn there or he'll go to paradise?

Only atheists can reply to this post. If a theist does it, then may 10000 curses fall over his head and may he eternally burn in hell.

He'll go to Christian heaven, Islamic and Jewish hell, be reincarnated as a snail that gets crushed by a speeding car on a highway, attain Nirvana, and cease to exist in the cosmos. All at the same time.

You have to understand the existence of a soul on here is our choice to come and test our selfs to be worthy to live with God eternally. The test is different for every soul and some souls are born into situations which man has wrought which are horrible and add to that earthly suffering

Stop blindly asserting the existence of a soul and provide evidence that it exists. Or else, we have no reason to believe it is real.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

"Funny"? That's the best response you can give?

The supernatural is a figment if our imagination, used as a pseudo-answer to the questions we couldn't answer. It is asserted without evidence. So I dismiss it without evidence. All this "don't put God in those limits" argument is pointless. That's just stuff you theists use to dishonestly shift the burden of proof onto the critic when you cannot provide any proof.

How do I know if the supernatural is real?

Figment of the imagination is completely different than experiencing the supernatural be it God or a ghost etc it's a complete feeling mind body and soul not some fantasy that is easily distinguishable from reality. I'm sorry that your world is so bleak and matter of fact but if you refuse to leave yourself open to the possibility then the possibility of you experiencing anything outside of the mundane is minuscule

 

[AndreaCristiano]

He'll go to Christian heaven, Islamic and Jewish hell, be reincarnated as a snail that gets crushed by a speeding car on a highway, attain Nirvana, and cease to exist in the cosmos. All at the same time.



Stop blindly asserting the existence of a soul and provide evidence that it exists. Or else, we have no reason to believe it is real.

Stop blindly asserting that it doesn't exist and provide evidence that it doesn't or else we have no reason to cease believing.