Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (19 Viewers)

[Fred]

After life or not, there is this physical world that everyone has to pass through first. Eternal damnation is surely not a nice place, but some people are born into and spend their whole lives in hell.

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1) Because they need some kind of hope to cling on to.
2) Because they're mostly uneducated.
3) I'm sure the real poor (like the examples I used), don't really have time for God.

Yes, but its only a fraction of what you're going to spend in the hereafter.

Like I said, these kind of discussions are fruitless, because we're basing them on completely different premises.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

After life or not, there is this physical world that everyone has to pass through first. Eternal damnation is surely not a nice place, but some people are born into and spend their whole lives in hell.

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1) Because they need some kind of hope to cling on to.
2) Because they're mostly uneducated.
3) I'm sure the real poor (like the examples I used), don't really have time for God.

Btw, you don't need to quote every pro-God post with "agreed" or "very true", because it's a given. It could say, "God is real because 345678," and you would say you agree.

Ps I beg to differ on 3 also I am educated and so are many believers even people who are extremely educated and yet they still believe so 2 is wrong. As for 1 if they didn't feel anything hoping in nothing wouldn't help

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Yes, but its only a fraction of what you're going to spend in the hereafter.

Like I said, these kind of discussions are fruitless, because we're basing them on completely different premises.

It's not a fraction to the people living through it, Fred. And it doesn't seem veery comforting to say that there's a reward waiting for them after either, because some of the others getting the same reward didn't have to go through what they went through.

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Ps I beg to differ on 3 also I am educated and so are many believers even people who are extremely educated and yet they still believe so 2 is wrong. As for 1 if they didn't feel anything hoping in nothing wouldn't help

You said almost all poor have faith. Where did you get that from?

I said most, so yes, AC, I know you're educated and believe in God. We're talking about the poor here.

What do you mean "if they didn't feel anything?"

 

[Fred]

It's not a fraction to the people living through it, Fred. And it doesn't seem veery comforting to say that there's a reward waiting for them after either, because some of the others getting the same reward didn't have to go through what they went through.

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You said almost all poor have faith. Where did you get that from?

I said most, so yes, AC, I know you're educated and believe in God. We're talking about the poor here.

What do you mean "if they didn't feel anything?"

Its a fraction to everybody.

and you don't even believe in a herafter, what are we debating now?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Its a fraction to everybody.

and you don't even believe in a herafter, what are we debating now?

Lol, why the hell does God subject his people to such conditions?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's not a fraction to the people living through it, Fred. And it doesn't seem veery comforting to say that there's a reward waiting for them after either, because some of the others getting the same reward didn't have to go through what they went through.

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You said almost all poor have faith. Where did you get that from?

I said most, so yes, AC, I know you're educated and believe in God. We're talking about the poor here.

What do you mean "if they didn't feel anything?"

Well here is something that most believers don't want to touch on. Suffering is necessary and for some souls it is more necessary than others the suffering is a tool to help the souls receive the light. The problem is a lot of faithful want to paint a Rosie picture full always glorious days and that's not how it works. There can be no light without the dark. Also when there is nowhere else to turn, believe you me you feel that presence and know that you are not alone

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Lol, why the hell does God subject his people to such conditions?

Because non believers are very adamant and can't take that a person in this day an age believes while a believer wants all to see the glory of God. It's not anger really it's more devotion to ones ideal

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Well here is something that most believers don't want to touch on. Suffering is necessary and for some souls it is more necessary than others the suffering is a tool to help the souls receive the light. The problem is a lot of faithful want to paint a Rosie picture full always glorious days and that's not how it works. There can be no light without the dark. Also when there is nowhere else to turn, believe you me you feel that presence and know that you are not alone

For some it is more necessary than for others? And that some being millions of people being born in a particular part of the globe? Their unfortunate situation is a result of them needing more cleansing?

Sure, suffering gives you strength and character, but is this necessary? :

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Because non believers are very adamant and can't take that a person in this day an age believes while a believer wants all to see the glory of God. It's not anger really it's more devotion to ones ideal

wutttt.

Fred, please help.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

For some it is more necessary than for others? And that some being millions of people being born in a particular part of the globe? Their unfortunate situation is a result of them needing more cleansing?

Sure, suffering gives you strength and character, but is this necessary? :

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wutttt.

Fred, please help.

That suffering isn't of God my friend. Those who live in that part of the globe are dealing with the consequence of sin. The sins of greed , avarice, selfishness and power

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Yes, children dealing with other people's greed. And God doesn't want to help because it's up to man to do. Man and the devil is at fault for the bad stuff, God gets credit for the good stuff.

Back to where we started.

 

[Fred]

For some it is more necessary than for others? And that some being millions of people being born in a particular part of the globe? Their unfortunate situation is a result of them needing more cleansing?

Sure, suffering gives you strength and character, but is this necessary? :

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wutttt.

Fred, please help.

We believe that its all factored in at the end. People like this kid who suffered a lot in their lives will be rewarded in the hereafter.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We believe that its all factored in at the end. People like this kid who suffered a lot in their lives will be rewarded in the hereafter.

So people like you and AC won't?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

We believe that its all factored in at the end. People like this kid who suffered a lot in their lives will be rewarded in the hereafter.

They don't seem to comprehend this as in they can not correlate the hereafter Ito their logic

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So people like you and AC won't?

My reward if I God wills will be as God sees fit

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

They don't seem to comprehend this as in they can not correlate the hereafter Ito their logic

This generalising thing you hate again... Yo, I hope you stop whining about it when it happens to you again.

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My reward if I God wills will be as God sees fit

Yeah, yeah.

Is it necessary to live like that kid in the pic to get your reward after? Or can you be well off like you and Fred and still get in?

 

[Alen]

There is no doubt in my mind that Fred and AC will go to hell, while Matt will go to heaven.

Especially AC will burn.

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We believe that its all factored in at the end. People like this kid who suffered a lot in their lives will be rewarded in the hereafter.

Why don't you suffer like that kid? You'll be rewarded royally in the eternity of the afterlife.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

This generalising thing you hate again... Yo, I hope you stop whining about it when it happens to you again.

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Yeah, yeah.

Is it necessary to live like that kid in the pic to get your reward after? Or can you be well off like you and Fred and still get in?

Financial status has little if anything to do with salvation. The only thing that correlates is that the more that is given to you the more is expected from you.

 

[Fred]

So people like you and AC won't?

Definitely not like that kid.

I'm not sure about Christian beliefs about the hereafter. But for us muslims, we're all going to suffer a bit in hell for our sins before we go to heaven. That kid will not have to.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

There is no doubt in my mind that Fred and AC will go to hell, while Matt will go to heaven.

Especially AC will burn.

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Why don't you suffer like that kid? You'll be rewarded royally in the eternity of the afterlife.

Why are you such an arrogant child. Here we are having an intelligent discussion and you chime in with your vomitus rhetoric

 

[Fred]

There is no doubt in my mind that Fred and AC will go to hell, while Matt will go to heaven.

Especially AC will burn.

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Why don't you suffer like that kid? You'll be rewarded royally in the eternity of the afterlife.

I will go to hell for a while, all of us will.