Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (19 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

The problem I see with most if the non believers here is they don't seem to understand that for many believers the scientific explanation is just mans way of understanding God's wonder. We don't dismiss science or most of the theories but we also don't believe they just happened by chance. We believe that behind all of it is our God

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

The problem I see with most if the non believers here is they don't seem to understand that for many believers the scientific explanation is just mans way of understanding God's wonder.[/B] We don't dismiss science or most of the theories but we also don't believe they just happened by chance. We believe that behind all of it is our God

And you don't understand that it's the other way round. God is just men's explanation of nature's wonder.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

And you don't understand that it's the other way round. God is just men's explanation of nature's wonder.

No the only difference is your definition of existence and all of natures wonders fall in little boxes and rules. Nothing goes outside those lines. So for you all the supernatural and miraculous does not exist. Reality only fits into your senses while for use reality is beyond what we can see

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No the only difference is your definition of existence and all of natures wonders fall in little boxes and rules. Nothing goes outside those lines. So for you all the supernatural and miraculous does not exist. Reality only fits into your senses while for use reality is beyond what we can see

The only problem here is your definition of existence too. Just because you can imagine something beyond what you can see, doesn't mean that it exists, and that it real enough for me to ardently believe in it. Until proven, it only exists in your mind.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Are you jealous because that makes him happy coz i dont see any other explanation. As stated above, if you choose to see it in H2O molecules thats your prerogative, if he wants to see as bounties from his Creator how does that affect you?

Coz that's what this thread is about?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The only problem here is your definition of existence too. Just because you can imagine something beyond what you can see, doesn't mean that it exists, and that it real enough for me to ardently believe in it. Until proven, it only exists in your mind.

It also doesn't mean that your limited acceptance of what existence is the reality. Just like others have pointed out on here you can not prove my God doesn't exist. You just choose to not believe

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It also doesn't mean that your limited acceptance of what existence is the reality. Just like others have pointed out on here you can not prove my God doesn't exist. You just choose to not believe

Yup. Just like you choose not to believe in the several hundreds of gods throughout our history.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yup. Just like you choose not to believe in the several hundreds of gods throughout our history.

That's not even the discussion here and every time you go to it you minimize your side of the argument. My decision in my faith is a personal decision that took many years and I believe in my God because of that. The existence of God outside of religious belief is what this thread is about. Not the semantics of which God is the right one. This is about does a creator exist or not. So stop with the BS sheik

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's not even the discussion here and every time you go to it you minimize your side of the argument. My decision in my faith is a personal decision that took many years and I believe in my God because of that. The existence of God outside of religious belief is what this thread is about. Not the semantics of which God is the right one. This is about does a creator exist or not. So stop with the BS sheik

I'm not gonna start this argument again. We've already concluded that you're not one to change your mind about it. You are a lost cause. I'd rather talk to the painting in my hotel room rather than start this again with you.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm not gonna start this argument again. We've already concluded that you're not one to change your mind about it. You are a lost cause. I'd rather talk to the painting in my hotel room rather than start this again with you.

If your gonna talk about it talk about the damn subject man. Don't talk to me about changing minds. I never feigned that desire unlike you who acted as though you wanted to search for God. You do nothing but talk down to believers and mock people and then hide behind supposed righteous indignation of a supposed desire to search for God. The question on this thread is Did God create man or man create God ? Not which version etc etc you just play your bullshit games , throw your stones then hide like a little girl

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If your gonna talk about it talk about the damn subject man. Don't talk to me about changing minds. I never feigned that desire unlike you who acted as though you wanted to search for God. You do nothing but talk down to believers and mock people and then hide behind supposed righteous indignation of a supposed desire to search for God. The question on this thread is Did God create man or man create God ? Not which version etc etc you just play your bullshit games , throw your stones then hide like a little girl

I'm not searching for god. I want to know why people believe it.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm not searching for god. I want to know why people believe it.

People have told you from different faiths why they believe in here yet you always twist things and bring unrelated things into the argument

 

[ZoSo]

AC is right here Sheik.

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The problem is its silly to you because you live in a world with limits and boundaries and nothing for you exists outside the realm of human possibility.

The problem I see with most if the non believers here is they don't seem to understand that for many believers the scientific explanation is just mans way of understanding God's wonder. We don't dismiss science or most of the theories but we also don't believe they just happened by chance. We believe that behind all of it is our God

No the only difference is your definition of existence and all of natures wonders fall in little boxes and rules. Nothing goes outside those lines. So for you all the supernatural and miraculous does not exist. Reality only fits into your senses while for use reality is beyond what we can see

People can't/don't want to believe because there is no son of God walking around today performing miracles that they can see with their own eyes.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

AC is right here Sheik.

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People can't/don't want to believe because there is no son of God walking around today performing miracles that they can see with their own eyes.

Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."

 

[Raz]

Yup. Just like you choose not to believe in the several hundreds of gods throughout our history.

Doesn't it get tiring to you to use the same arguments made by that famous spaghetti monster atheist?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."

Forgive me for not being as gullible as you are, but I don't believe in any of that.

Doesn't it get tiring to you to use the same arguments made by that famous spaghetti monster atheist?

Not at all. I think it's a very good argument.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Forgive me for not being as gullible as you are, but I don't believe in any of that.



Not at all. I think it's a very good argument.

It has nothing to do with being gullible not even close. These are the things you pull with your slight insults and arrogance like your smarter than I. PS your agreement isn't good

 

[Hængebøffer]

Doesn't it get tiring to you to use the same arguments made by that famous spaghetti monster atheist?

Why is it stupid?

 

[Nzoric]

People can't/don't want to believe because there is no son of God walking around today performing miracles that they can see with their own eyes.

You have no idea how much I wish I believed. It must be so nice to believe you'll be hovering around with granny upstairs. Sadly, I think I'll just make some grass greener somewhere.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You have no idea how much I wish I believed. It must be so nice to believe you'll be hovering around with granny upstairs. Sadly, I think I'll just make some grass greener somewhere.

its not about wishing to believe its about searching within, truly searching within, and it doesnt happen just like that, its a journey