Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (29 Viewers)

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Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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Nah, I don't know. Just seems to me that you gain nothing out of being a hardcore atheist. Its a lose-lose situation. And I'm not attacking anyone here, just something I've always thought about.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
Let me ask a more important question:

To all hardcore theists, are you guys not worried that you may be actually praying to the wrong god, and that your god does not exist, but others do?
God either exists or not. Various gods are various interpretations of same thing so the question must have been whether or not are theists worried about science proving that there's no god.

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Nah, I don't know. Just seems to me that you gain nothing out of being a hardcore atheist. Its a lose-lose situation. And I'm not attacking anyone here, just something I've always thought about.
What are they losing as things are today? :D
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,753
Nah, I don't know. Just seems to me that you gain nothing out of being a hardcore atheist. Its a lose-lose situation. And I'm not attacking anyone here, just something I've always thought about.
No, it means you don't have to abide by a bunch of stupid rules.

It means you don't have to live your life in fear of hell because you did a few naughty things or you missed church last Sunday (or whatever your specific god dictates).

It means you're not subservient to an emotional needy, spiteful being who forces you to love him or suffer his wrath.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
84,750
No, it means you don't have to abide by a bunch of stupid rules.

It means you don't have to live your life in fear of hell because you did a few naughty things or you missed church last Sunday (or whatever your specific god dictates).

It means you're not subservient to an emotional needy, spiteful being who forces you to love him or suffer his wrath.
What if you're Jewish and you don't believe in hell?
 
Apr 15, 2006
56,640
Nah, I don't know. Just seems to me that you gain nothing out of being a hardcore atheist. Its a lose-lose situation. And I'm not attacking anyone here, just something I've always thought about.
It may be a lose-lose situation for us. But it's not much different for you either. Considering that throughout history, various gods have been described by various tribes, it could be possible that any of those exist. And if only one of them is the real god, then there's a great chance that your god does not exist, or was just made up.

If according to you, atheists gain nothing, then according to me, people who pray to the wrong god gain nothing too.
Comes down to the definition of God as being all Supreme. Do Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva have equal "abilities" or "powers"?
The Hindu Trinity represent different aspects of Brahman. Brahma has the power of creating, Vishnu has the power of sustaining, and Shiva has the power of destroying. All 3 together embody the properties of Brahman, who is therefore Supreme.

Why do you think Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva do not exist?
God either exists or not. Various gods are various interpretations of same thing so the question must have been whether or not are theists worried about science proving that there's no god.
The belief that "Various gods are various interpretations of same thing" is as baseless as the concept of god itself. Also, it raises more questions than answer them. For example, why would this singular god manifest himself as Yahweh or Allah, and proclaim that he is the one and true god, and that there are no other gods(which is himself)?

I think this is a stupid explanation, invented by people who want to avoid the possibility of whether these different gods all exist or not.
It proves the opposite but it depends on your perspective.
The truth is indifferent to your perspective. Something either exists or not. Gravity will not cease to exist just because you have a different perspective of it.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
God either exists or not. Various gods are various interpretations of same thing
A very monotheistic thing to say. What about Zeus?

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For example, why would this singular god manifest himself as Yahweh or Allah, and proclaim that he is the one and true god, and that there are no other gods(which is himself)?
Exactly. Not only that, it's the first commandment, so he's explicitly saying that there are other gods.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
84,750
The belief that "Various gods are various interpretations of same thing" is as baseless as the concept of god itself. Also, it raises more questions than answer them. For example, why would this singular god manifest himself as Yahweh or Allah, and proclaim that he is the one and true god, and that there are no other gods(which is himself)?

I think this is a stupid explanation, invented by people who want to avoid the possibility of whether these different gods all exist or not.
Now you're treading on my turf. That's like saying Newtonian physics and Einstein's relativity can't both be true.
 

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