Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (30 Viewers)

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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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:lol: No, I don't do anything to my filet. Does it feel better if you rub it? Using two hands seems like a very girly way to jerk off.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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"However, the important feature may be not how he died but rather whether he died. Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right ribs, probably perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and thereby ensured his death (Fig 7). Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with modern medical knowledge."



The part in bold: So modern medical knowledge tells us that Jesus died on the cross yet it somehow leaves the possibility for that dead person to come back to life thousands of years later? You see how this whole article holds no weight when you leave a possibility for something so bizarre?

What I mean is, there's no point in scientifically explaining Jesus' crucifixion, when you as a doctor of medicine, on one hand want people to understand from a scientific point of view about how Jesus died on the cross but at the same time accept that he may come back to life! Because modern medicine will tell you otherwise.

About whether/if he died:

"According to the Biblical account, after the body was handed over to Joseph of Arimathea, it was immediately removed to a secret place of burial, a sepulchre with enough room not only for Jesus but also for two of his attendants to sit and take care of him.

Then the disciples went back to their homes, but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent down over to look into the tomb and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been. (John 20:10–12)

That is not all, we are informed in the New Testament that an ointment, which had been prepared in advance was applied to Jesus’ wounds.6 This ointment, prepared by the disciples of Jesus, contained ingredients which have properties of healing wounds and subduing pain etc. Why was there all this fuss about going through the laborious exercise of collecting twelve rare ingredients to prepare an ointment at all? The prescription used is recorded in many classical books such as the famous medical textbook Al-Qanun by Bu Ali Sina (see appendix for a list of such books). So what was the need of applying ointment to a dead body? This could only make sense if the disciples had strong reasons to believe that Jesus would be delivered alive from the cross and not dead. St. John is the only apostle who has ventured to offer an explanation justifying the act of preparing and applying an ointment to Jesus’ body. This further supports the fact that the act of applying ointment to a dead body was considered extremely odd behaviour, inexplicable to those who believed that Jesus was dead when ointment was applied. It is for this reason why St. John had to offer an explanation. He suggests that it was done so merely because it was a Jewish practice to apply some sort of balm or ointment to the bodies of their dead. Now it is a very important fact to note that all modern scholars who have researched into this, are in agreement that St. John was not of Jewish origin, and he proved it by this statement of his. It is known for certain that Jews or the Children of Israel have never applied any ointments whatsoever to the bodies of their dead. As such the scholars contend that St. John must have been of non-Jewish origin otherwise he could not have been so ignorant of Jewish customs. So there has to be another reason for this.

The ointment was applied to save Jesus from near death. The only explanation lies in the fact that Jesus was neither expected to die by his disciples nor did he actually die upon the cross. The body which was taken down must have shown positive signs of life before the application of the ointment, otherwise, it turns out to be an extremely stupid, unwarranted and futile exercise on the part of those who indulged in it. It is unlikely that those who had prepared this ointment in advance had done so without a very strong indication that Jesus would not die upon the cross but would be taken down alive seriously wounded, very much in need of a powerful healing agent."

Same source as before.
Yeshua doesnt have to come to life thousands of years later he was ressurected 2000+ years ago,he is alive and in the perfected state when he returns he will just be returning. Also like I showed all medical evidence points towards him being dead on the cross

ps the ointment is in all Jewish burials not just Yeshua, maybe your guy in this source could be less partisan when it comes to facts and more accurate.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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Yeshua doesnt have to come to life thousands of years later he was ressurected 2000+ years ago,he is alive and in the perfected state when he returns he will just be returning. Also like I showed all medical evidence points towards him being dead on the cross

ps the ointment is in all Jewish burials not just Yeshua, maybe your guy in this source could be less partisan when it comes to facts and more accurate.
Let's ignore everything else and just tell me how a man who lived 2000+ years ago can still be alive.

You can't use the knowledge of modern medicine when it suits you and completely throw it out the window when it suits you otherwise. It hurts your argument and I hope you understand that.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
Yeshua doesnt have to come to life thousands of years later he was ressurected 2000+ years ago,he is alive and in the perfected state when he returns he will just be returning. Also like I showed all medical evidence points towards him being dead on the cross

ps the ointment is in all Jewish burials not just Yeshua, maybe your guy in this source could be less partisan when it comes to facts and more accurate.
Let's ignore everything else and just tell me how a man can who lived 2000+ years ago can still be alive.
 

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