Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (5 Viewers)

[DelpieroForLife]

What a joke.

Scientism altogether is a sick joke that provides zero meaning and tries to explain the entire world using, at its basis, mathematics.

Such a shame, using mathematics to prove and explain the world.

 

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Such a shame, using mathematics to prove and explain the world.

Of course it is. Can mathematics explain how you feel about Juve?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Of course it is. Can mathematics explain how you feel about Juve?

Kindly provide me with your explanation of feelings without using mathematics nor science.

 

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Kindly provide me with your explanation of feelings without using mathematics nor science.

Can you see or touch emotions?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Can you see or touch emotions?

No, your point is?

 

[Nzoric]

Of course it is. Can mathematics explain how you feel about Juve?

Yes they can. Too bad I didn't study biological chemistry, otherwise I could explain you what feelings are :wink:

 

[Nzoric]

Who here believes that Mt Rushmore was created over millions of years of erosion and just happened to end up perfectly resembling, what would have been at the time, four future US presidents?

Does anyone here think that it would be crazy to believe such a theory?

Please, someone explain to me how I make my signature :LOL:

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Yes they can. Too bad I didn't study biological chemistry, otherwise I could explain you what feelings are :wink:

You had to spoil it for us didn't you, I was eager to hear his non-scientific definition of feelings

 

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Please, someone explain to me how I make my signature :LOL:

It's easy go into your settings.

But I'll tell you what don't be a moron aye, it sounds purposefully outlandish to make a point, because if anyone thinks that's stupid, then it's infinitely more stupid to believe a cell could have come about on its own, let alone a full organ, let alone a full body, let alone other bodies, let alone an ecosystem, let alone a solar system, a galaxy and a Universe.

 

[Nzoric]

It's easy go into your settings.

But I'll tell you what don't be a moron aye, it sounds purposefully outlandish to make a point, because if anyone thinks that's stupid, then it's infinitely more stupid to believe a cell could have come about on its own, let alone a full organ, let alone a full body, let alone other bodies, let alone an ecosystem, let alone a solar system, a galaxy and a Universe.

No, your point about Rushmore is idiotic. How can you compare the evolution of the ecosystem and the evolution of the species to adapt to it, to carved mountains of already known faces? It has no point of reference whatsoever.

 

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No, your point about Rushmore is idiotic. How can you compare the evolution of the ecosystem and the evolution of the species to adapt to it, to carved mountains of already known faces? It has no point of reference whatsoever.

Mt Rushmore is infinitely less complicated than a living cell. It's very relevant.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Who here believes that Mt Rushmore was created over millions of years of erosion and just happened to end up perfectly resembling, what would have been at the time, four future US presidents?

Does anyone here think that it would be crazy to believe such a theory?

You have cases that pop up daily showing rocks or trees which assemble Jesus face or any other symbolic icon related to religion, do you think it is stupid?

 

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You have cases that pop up daily showing rocks or trees which assemble Jesus face or any other symbolic icon related to religion, do you think it is stupid?

There exists a non-material world, better yet, the material world itself is not even material at it's lowest level, it's simply a "fog" or "myst" (refer to quantum physics)

 

[DelpieroForLife]

There exists a non-material world, better yet, the material world itself is not even material at it's lowest level, it's simply a "fog" or "myst" (refer to quantum physics)

Your answer has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

 

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Your answer has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

It has a lot to do with it. I am saying that there exists another world from the one we can see with our wordy eyes.

 

[Nzoric]

Mt Rushmore is infinitely less complicated than a living cell. It's very relevant.

You don't see the point do you? The living cells evolved to survive whatever conditions were around them. Mt. Rushmore was carved with a human hand to look like previous presidents. How the hell is that relevant?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

There exists a non-material world, better yet, the material world itself is not even material at it's lowest level, it's simply a "fog" or "myst" (refer to quantum physics)

BTW this was be explained by using probability theories which is an important a part of mathematics, mathematics that you were criticizing for its lack of ability to explain the world one page ago.

 

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You don't see the point do you? The living cells evolved to survive whatever conditions were around them. Mt. Rushmore was carved with a human hand to look like previous presidents. How the hell is that relevant?

The point of relevance is as follows:

Is it possible that over the period of millions of years, that erosion could have cause something similar to Mt Rushmore? Carved out human faces of real human beings?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

It has a lot to do with it. I am saying that there exists another world from the one we can see with our wordy eyes.

Where did I contradict that?

 

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BTW this was be explained by using probability theories which is an important a part of mathematics, mathematics that you were criticizing for its lack of ability to explain the world one page ago.

I'm not insinuating that mathematics should be done with, just that it doesn't provide a full explanation in and of itself. Scientism reduces everything to simple numbers.