Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (25 Viewers)

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AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,125
Wasn't Jesus all about humility and sacrifice? Who the hell does that these days anyway? Certainly not us guys who drive nice cars, go on vacations to nice places. And certainly not our church leaders, pastors, Pope. Again, it's all talk and no action by those who preach God is in their lives.
So because the MEN who run his church are immoral or wrong or hypocrites that doesnt negate HIS message! You dont go to church for the pastors, priest, popes etc etc you go for the relationship between you and God! I will quote this again" Do not worry yourself with the splinter in your brothers eye, remove the beam from your eye first"
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
TWW, Prophet Muhammad said that the you are not a true believer until you love to the others what you love for yourself. There aren't many true believers unfortunately.
Believe me I know those types and they are not Christians like I said its easy for people to profess God with their lips not with their heart. They forget as Christians when Jesus said worry not about the splinter in your brothers eyes, first remove the beam from yours!
People find it easy to obey the laws set by the state once they are enforced because they fear punishment. Apparently they don't fear God's punishment as much as they do the state's.
So because the MEN who run his church are immoral or wrong or hypocrites that doesnt negate HIS message! You dont go to church for the pastors, priest, popes etc etc you go for the relationship between you and God! I will quote this again" Do not worry yourself with the splinter in your brothers eye, remove the beam from your eye first"
I did not only say them. I'm talking about all believers. You, Linebreak and everyone else here. Why don't you get rid of all your worldly belongings and dedicate your lives to God's work?
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,125
How's he on my side? He believes Jesus is his Lord & Saviour, I don't.
Just because you believe Jesus was a prophet and I believe him to be the son of God that matters not in this thread. This thread is about Gods existence or lack thereof so we are on the same team. Look beyond the Islam is the only religion and realize the God of Abraham is the same God we worship
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
22,514
I've answered you two times already.

Like I said again and again, people approach these scriptures with 21th century scientific knowledge and try to understand what they want from them.
In islam, the dearest persons to god are Scientists and you know why because through sciences you could come closer to god and god in the Quran tell us to reflect upon all matters because through that we'll understand him more.
So you are telling me a scripture in the 7th century who talked about some facts in Geology, the orbital movement of the sun and the moon, How the fingerprints are distiguished from one to other, the expansion of the universe...And none could come up with just one Mistake in this holly book is all people approach to these scriptures.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,125
People find it easy to obey the laws set by the state once they are enforced because they fear punishment. Apparently they don't fear God's punishment as much as they do the state's.I did not only say them. I'm talking about all believers. You, Linebreak and everyone else here. Why don't you get rid of all your worldly belongings and dedicate your lives to God's work?
Ok firstly, people break the states laws as much if not more than sinning every day. so that premise is bs, secondly not everyone is called to be a prophet or a pastor or to do God's work. Thirdly I do alot of charity work and alot of volunteerism so in essence I do as much of God's work as my life allows, ps I dont have many worldly goods lol
 
Jul 1, 2010
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In islam, the dearest persons to god are Scientists and you know why because through sciences you could come closer to god and god in the Quran tell us to reflect upon all matters because through that we'll understand him more.
So you are telling me a scripture in the 7th century who talked about some facts in Geology, the orbital movement of the sun and the moon, How the fingerprints are distiguished from one to other, the expansion of the universe...And none could come up with just one Mistake in this holly book is all people approach to these scriptures.
It's like Nostradamus' predictions, people will understand from them specifically what they want.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
22,514
It's like Nostradamus' predictions, people will understand from them specifically what they want.
Did Nostrodamus predict the expansion of the universe in the 7th century, Come on you are just avoiding the question. I can give you as many examples as you want backed with text from the Quran.
Also Yet all these persons who studied the Quran couldn't come with one mistake in this book who allegedly was written by an illetrate man even a lunguistic one,not even one.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
Ok firstly, people break the states laws as much if not more than sinning every day. so that premise is bs, secondly not everyone is called to be a prophet or a pastor or to do God's work. Thirdly I do alot of charity work and alot of volunteerism so in essence I do as much of God's work as my life allows, ps I dont have many worldly goods lol
I said enforced laws--not littering, downloading music, etc. You don't rob banks because you know you'd be punished. You (yes, AC, not necessarily YOU) fap to porn or have pre-marital sex time and time again because you don't really fear hell as much as jail--just kinda, you know, you'd rather believe in it and not take the chance, but you don't panic whole day after your fap. Seriously, why do you want to buy that nice car you were posting pics of. Would Jesus do that?

My point is: Believers (in general) want to believe, they keep saying it over and over, until they believe that they believe. But they don't subconsciously believe. If they did feel God, they would do things a lot differently. If God was actually visible over you, I bet you would stop thinking how much you hate that bitch in the office immediately.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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Just because you believe Jesus was a prophet and I believe him to be the son of God that matters not in this thread. This thread is about Gods existence or lack thereof so we are on the same team. Look beyond the Islam is the only religion and realize the God of Abraham is the same God we worship
I don't get it though...are we on a team? #TeamGod or something?

I can't be on the same 'team' as you when one moment you might be saying something that I agree with followed by claiming Adam & Eve were the first people or your pal Linebreak who's saying all men are sinners.
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
I said enforced laws--not littering, downloading music, etc. You don't rob banks because you know you'd be punished. You (yes, AC, not necessarily YOU) fap to porn or have pre-marital sex time and time again because you don't really fear hell as much as jail--just kinda, you know, you'd rather believe in it and not take the chance, but you don't panic whole day after your fap. Seriously, why do you want to buy that nice car you were posting pics of. Would Jesus do that?

My point is: Believers (in general) want to believe, they keep saying it over and over, until they believe that they believe. But they don't subconsciously believe. If they did feel God, they would do things a lot differently. If God was actually visible over you, I bet you would stop thinking how much you hate that bitch in the office immediately.
What which one? :p
 
Jul 1, 2010
26,352
Did Nostrodamus predict the expansion of the universe in the 7th century, Come on you are just avoiding the question. I can give you as many examples as you want backed with text from the Quran.
Also Yet all these persons who studied the Quran couldn't come with one mistake in this book who allegedly was written by an illetrate man even a lunguistic one,not even one.
It is precisely like Nostradamus. Your Quran didn't predict the expansion of the universe, you're reading the verse with 21th century scientific knowledge and you're getting from that verse specifically what you want.

Oh, and there is no evidence that the Quran was actually written by Muhammad.
 

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