Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (17 Viewers)

[Enron]

You may be right although I find everyone has some bias so I posted that to ask people to seriously look at something without preconditions

I think that is understood. To examine something fairly (perhaps the better word).

Though one can argue that the belief in something already biases one's answer.

Anywho, the website is interesting but I can't really get on the whole mixing science and religion bandwagon. I think the two should be separate in practice. You can argue for or against the existence of a god, but you have to realize that's a philosophical/historical argument. Not a scientific argument.

That's not to say that there isn't a God or take anything away from religion. It's like Church and State, keep them (science and religion) apart and things work out, blend them together and we get the Dark Ages or Texas.

 

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[Enron]

Why don't they go hand in hand?

Islam and Science have gone hand in hand just fine. Islams contribution to science is undeniable.

Dr. Abdus Salam, a theoretical physicist, a Nobel laureate. He said his faith inspired his scientific work.

What happens when a scientific discovery refutes a religious belief?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I think that is understood. To examine something fairly (perhaps the better word).

Though one can argue that the belief in something already biases one's answer.

Anywho, the website is interesting but I can't really get on the whole mixing science and religion bandwagon. I think the two should be separate in practice. You can argue for or against the existence of a god, but you have to realize that's a philosophical/historical argument. Not a scientific argument.

That's not to say that there isn't a God or take anything away from religion. It's like Church and State, keep them (science and religion) apart and things work out, blend them together and we get the Dark Ages or Texas.

I think if you read alot of this scientists on this site and others make it seems more plausible than you think. Also separation of church and state only means there can be no state religion not what it has become to mean in our messed up version of america
The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

 

[Zé Tahir]

What happens when a scientific discovery refutes a religious belief?

That's impossible, they're one in the same.

 

[Enron]

That's impossible, they're one in the same.

No. Ask Galileo about that one.

And let's not speak in absolutes.

 

[Zé Tahir]

No. Ask Galileo about that one.

And let's not speak in absolutes.

Well, we're in 2011.

You asked for my opinion right? In my opinion it's impossible. That's what I meant.

 

[Enron]

I think if you read alot of this scientists on this site and others make it seems more plausible than you think. Also separation of church and state only means there can be no state religion not what it has become to mean in our messed up version of america
The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Thanks for the civics lesson. Unfortunately you missed the analogy.

But you have to realize that I don't have religious ideal remotely close to yours, so for me what you propose is an impossibility.

 

[Enron]

Well, we're in 2011.

You asked for my opinion right? In my opinion it's impossible. That's what I meant.

Which is why I disagreed and suggested not speaking in absolutes when we're addressing the unknown.

Usually the church denies science instead of just adjusting it's teachings to new discoveries. We've seen this over the past two days with the evolution argument.

 

[swag]

The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution.

Well, neither does anything about owning black people as slaves for that matter.

 

[Enron]

Anyways guys. I've been kind of off topic the last couple of days. I don't wish to take part in a religious discussion. I find them pointless, but I do rather enjoy science and the discussion that accompanies it. Laters.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Which is why I disagreed and suggested not speaking in absolutes when we're addressing the unknown.

Usually the church denies science instead of just adjusting it's teachings to new discoveries. We've seen this over the past two days with the evolution argument.

That seems like a Christian thing. And I don't think you're giving them enough credit here ...they've changed their beliefs so many times since the days of Galileo it's hard to recognize it anymore.

 

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That seems like a Christian thing. And I don't think you're giving them enough credit here ...they've changed their beliefs so many times since the days of Galileo it's hard to recognize it anymore.

Ze Tahir finally off the fence. You've done well

 

[Zé Tahir]

Are you a Christian? So much for not sitting by the fence, I don't even know what religion you are.

 

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Are you a Christian? So much for not sitting by the fence, I don't even know what religion you are.

I've never claimed to be any religion on this forum, people have assumed many things about me.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I've never claimed to be any religion on this forum, people have assumed many things about me.

So are you a Christian or not?

 

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So are you a Christian or not?

What difference does it make?

 

[K.O.]

Add 'who cares? Got beer?' to the poll and I'm in.

 

[Zé Tahir]

It's kinda nice to know where people stand when you're in a debate.

Believing in God is pretty arbitrary. It makes a difference if you what religion you are or if you don't believe in organized religion.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The one thing that seems to be a pattern is that the believers are always " Christian " who we go after here. what about the Jews and Muslims or deists or non affiliated believers? Why is it always the Christians ?

 

[X Æ A-12]

What difference does it make?

I'll take that as a yes.