To echo chesse not only does the quran speak of expansion, but so does kabballah this isn't a new scientific discovery
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I believe you are referring to the Sana'a manuscripts.
Carbon 14 dating indicates that some of it's manuscripts date from the second part of the 7th century(form about 645-690 CE) while Calligraphic dating points out to a few decades later(for several manuscripts).
The problem with this is, how do you know that it wasn't written by some of his followers? It is true that it appears a couple of decades after Muhammad's death but that doesn't prove that it was written by him.
Correlation doesn't imply causation, which is an important concept in science. The fact that the oldest surviving manuscript of the Quran dates back to the 650s doesn't prove that it was written by Muhammad/God.
As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Muslims claim that the Quran is the direct word of Allah, written down by the prophet Muhammad. Well, such claims requires better evidence than an old manuscript from the second part of the 7th century as far as I am concerned.
Carbon 14 dating indicates that some of it's manuscripts date from the second part of the 7th century(form about 645-690 CE) while Calligraphic dating points out to a few decades later(for several manuscripts).
The problem with this is, how do you know that it wasn't written by some of his followers? It is true that it appears a couple of decades after Muhammad's death but that doesn't prove that it was written by him.
Correlation doesn't imply causation, which is an important concept in science. The fact that the oldest surviving manuscript of the Quran dates back to the 650s doesn't prove that it was written by Muhammad/God.
As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Muslims claim that the Quran is the direct word of Allah, written down by the prophet Muhammad. Well, such claims requires better evidence than an old manuscript from the second part of the 7th century as far as I am concerned.
In the end just like shakespeare, we will never know who exactly wrote them and this is were FAITH true FAITH comes in. Not just saying I believe but inside your core knowing that this belief( be it in Jesus for a christian or mohammed as the prophet for a muslim ) speaks to the essence of your being and calls your soul to rejoice in the Lord. The difference with atheists and theists is that we can look past our senses , atheists can not.
Charles Dickens plays this out well, with scrooge and marley
"You don't believe in me," observed the Ghost.
"I don't." said Scrooge.
"What evidence would you have of my reality, beyond that of your senses?"
"I don't know," said Scrooge.
"Why do you doubt your senses?"
"Because," said Scrooge, "a little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!"
Scrooge was not much in the habit of cracking jokes, nor did he feel, in his heart, by any means waggish then. The truth is, that he tried to be smart, as a means of distracting his own attention, and keeping down his terror; for the spectre's voice disturbed the very marrow in his bones.
To sit, staring at those fixed glazed eyes, in silence for a moment, would play, Scrooge felt, the very deuce with him. There was something very awful, too, in the spectre's being provided with an infernal atmosphere of its own. Scrooge could not feel it himself, but this was clearly the case; for though the Ghost sat perfectly motionless, its hair, and skirts, and tassels, were still agitated as by the hot vapour from an oven.
"You see this toothpick?" said Scrooge, returning quickly to the charge, for the reason just assigned; and wishing, though it were only for a second, to divert the vision's stony gaze from himself.
Charles Dickens plays this out well, with scrooge and marley
"You don't believe in me," observed the Ghost.
"I don't." said Scrooge.
"What evidence would you have of my reality, beyond that of your senses?"
"I don't know," said Scrooge.
"Why do you doubt your senses?"
"Because," said Scrooge, "a little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!"
Scrooge was not much in the habit of cracking jokes, nor did he feel, in his heart, by any means waggish then. The truth is, that he tried to be smart, as a means of distracting his own attention, and keeping down his terror; for the spectre's voice disturbed the very marrow in his bones.
To sit, staring at those fixed glazed eyes, in silence for a moment, would play, Scrooge felt, the very deuce with him. There was something very awful, too, in the spectre's being provided with an infernal atmosphere of its own. Scrooge could not feel it himself, but this was clearly the case; for though the Ghost sat perfectly motionless, its hair, and skirts, and tassels, were still agitated as by the hot vapour from an oven.
"You see this toothpick?" said Scrooge, returning quickly to the charge, for the reason just assigned; and wishing, though it were only for a second, to divert the vision's stony gaze from himself.
It was not written by him, it was written by his compagnons, and after his death, Othman a muslim Khalifa gathered all the Written Qurans and made 5 new copies IIRC from the one Written by Hafsa the wife of Abu Baker, the prophets best freind and dearest compagnon and burnet the others to avoid differences and its that version that was found.
And even if you claim that it's not what he said that the manuscript that was found it's not his and it was someone else, how can someone in the 7th century explain all those concepts and talk about some scientific matters that we found just some few years back.
And even if you claim that it's not what he said that the manuscript that was found it's not his and it was someone else, how can someone in the 7th century explain all those concepts and talk about some scientific matters that we found just some few years back.
well if you don't , your in the minority. Being skeptical about everything is the same as A morality they want you to be in a constant state of confusion , or rather greenness, with no absolutes in thought, morals, kind of like the nazis wanted a bleached mass, that they could slowly morph into the third reich. I mean look at the world, all headed towards one world government, money and probably religion( worship of the planet) yet the many fall in step and don't question they just continue to follow
So your saying that the world hasn't become and empty Amoral place, where the only importance is material goods/wealth and the only devotion is primarily to oneself. Humanity worships at the alter of sports, like the romans did at the il collosseio! We are never fulfilled, all the money, sex, material wealth does nothing to fill our hearts, yet we continue to listen to the norm and piss away faith and a belief in something greater than one self. In the end it is clear as day to me , humanity is being conditioned and yet no one wants to see it, when some religious point it out we are called ignorant , small minded and holding on to our archaic beliefs yet I will be that person and forgo the world, before I forgo my god and cling to the world