Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (28 Viewers)

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Sep 18, 2009
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Forget about religious concepts of God. If you can believe your cells, your respiratory system, your nervous system, your eyes, the eco-system, the milky-way, the order in the heavens, the galaxies and the universe was a simply all the result of chance. Then you can literally believe in anything.
 
Trequartista

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Linebreak said:
Forget about religious concepts of God. If you can believe your cells, your respiratory system, your nervous system, your eyes, the eco-system, the milky-way, the order in the heavens, the galaxies and the universe was a simply all the result of chance. Then you can literally believe in anything.
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You understand absolutely nothing about evolution if you think that it's about chance. Read a book on evolution and you'll understand.
 

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Trequartista said:
Who created god? If everything that has a beginning has a cause, God has one too. Don't say that he always existed and always will, that's special pleading, which is a logical fallacy.

Scientists currently think that quantum mechanics could explain how the big bang happened and they're working on it. Quantum mechanics are extremely complex and are very hard to understand though.
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God is uncreated. Who ever created the creator of the universe is God. And whoever created him is God. Point is, there is one uncreated force in the start.

Scientists are simply working on figuring out how God created the universe using Quantum physics. God bless their work.
 

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Trequartista said:
Linebreak said:
Forget about religious concepts of God. If you can believe your cells, your respiratory system, your nervous system, your eyes, the eco-system, the milky-way, the order in the heavens, the galaxies and the universe was a simply all the result of chance. Then you can literally believe in anything.[/QUOTE

You understand absolutely nothing about evolution if you think it's about chance.
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Oh I understand evolution and it doesn't faze me one bit :)
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Trequartista

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Linebreak said:
God is uncreated. Who ever created the creator of the universe is God. And whoever created him is God. Point is, there is one uncreated force in the start.
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That makes no sense whatsoever. Why say that everything that has a beginning has a cause but make a exception in the case of god? Like I said, that's special pleading, which is a logical fallacy.
 

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Sep 18, 2009
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Trequartista said:
That makes no sense whatsoever. Why say that everything that has a beginning has a cause but make a exception in the case of god? Like I said, that's special pleading, which is a logical fallacy.
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Ok let's take your broad-minded intelligent modern enlightening approach then. There was nothing, and the big bang created itself, from nothing, forming into the amazing universe we see around us today.

I don't expect you to believe what I'm saying. It's just more convenient denying the obvious existence of God.
 
Trequartista

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Linebreak said:
Ok let's take your broad-minded intelligent modern enlightening approach then. There was nothing, and the big bang created itself, from nothing, forming into the amazing universe we see around us today.

I don't expect you to believe what I'm saying. It's just more convenient denying the obvious existence of God.
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No it is not, since then you have to explain how your god came to existence.

We don't know how it happened and science is working on it. I just find it quite illogical to jump to the conclusion that it was caused by god when the evidence on that is absolutely nil.

Oh and the way your framing it, you're creating a fallacious false dilemma.
 

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Believing a Tornado creates a Ferrari after going through a wrecking yard is the mother of all fallacies. Everything else seems minor.

God's existence is a no brainer
 
Trequartista

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Believing a Tornado creates a Ferrari after going through a wrecking yard is the mother of all fallacies. Everything else seems minor.
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I don't get why theists still use the argument from design since it has been refuted countless times, such as with the Ultimate Boeing 747 gambit.

It's probably because they have nothing else.

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God's existence is a no brainer
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Repeating it doesn't make it true.
 
JuveJay

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That's a staple of Young Earth creationists, such as yourself.

Anyway.

Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
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— Stephen Jay Gould
 
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