"though shall not strike your women down, becuase every 10 years they will say something useful" jebus
in all seriousness, good post
in all seriousness, good post
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Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (17 Viewers)
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Listen.....
Del Piero scored a goal against Palermo 2 weeks ago.
Channel4 informs about it, Goal.com informs about it, you wrote about that here, gazzetta wrote about it.
After 2 300 years someone says prove it that Del Piero scored a goal against Palermo. If it's a historic fact, prove it.
Somehow all the videos of this goal are lost, but they find the channel4 article, the goal.com article and they find your post about that goal.
The ones who will use the channel4 article as their source will say that it was a nice free kick goal. Those who will use your post will say that it was the most beautiful goal ever. There will be some disagreements about the way he scored the goal but they will know that Del Piero scored that goal.
Alen from the year 4 308 will say that there are contemporary sources who inform us about the goal and there is no reason for them to lie, while someone will ask "why wouldn't they lie".
They all wrote this independent from eachother. They saw it, or they heard it from someone who saw it and they wrote about it.
That's exactly the case with Alexander killing Cleitos.
Del Piero scored a goal against Palermo 2 weeks ago.
Channel4 informs about it, Goal.com informs about it, you wrote about that here, gazzetta wrote about it.
After 2 300 years someone says prove it that Del Piero scored a goal against Palermo. If it's a historic fact, prove it.
Somehow all the videos of this goal are lost, but they find the channel4 article, the goal.com article and they find your post about that goal.
The ones who will use the channel4 article as their source will say that it was a nice free kick goal. Those who will use your post will say that it was the most beautiful goal ever. There will be some disagreements about the way he scored the goal but they will know that Del Piero scored that goal.
Alen from the year 4 308 will say that there are contemporary sources who inform us about the goal and there is no reason for them to lie, while someone will ask "why wouldn't they lie".
They all wrote this independent from eachother. They saw it, or they heard it from someone who saw it and they wrote about it.
That's exactly the case with Alexander killing Cleitos.
Admittedly, I misused the word "fact". My point was that it was part of history. I said used the words historical fact, as in it did happen at some point in history and that's what I believe in. I now acknowledge that you don't view it as a fact because it seems unlikely to be true. I'm fine with that, I agreed that I misused the word fact.
Now how happy are you now? Did you get an orgasm because I used "fact" out of context?
Pathetic.
Now how happy are you now? Did you get an orgasm because I used "fact" out of context?
Pathetic.
1) so you agree that if i could think of improvements, i would be more intelligent than god?
2) science works on premises. There is always IF. Science does not present facts as absolutes, as religion does. Certainty does not exist. Just probability.
3) in that case yes. If someone, acting in self interest, broke the golden rule and tried to kill me, my instincts will take over and i will defend myself. Self defense is moral action that is appropriate in that case. The person lacking morals is the one trying to kill me.
Don't cherry pick. I made 7 points replying on 7 points you made in your post.
2) science works on premises. There is always IF. Science does not present facts as absolutes, as religion does. Certainty does not exist. Just probability.
3) in that case yes. If someone, acting in self interest, broke the golden rule and tried to kill me, my instincts will take over and i will defend myself. Self defense is moral action that is appropriate in that case. The person lacking morals is the one trying to kill me.
Don't cherry pick. I made 7 points replying on 7 points you made in your post.
Sorry Alen, but thats not convincing.... I don't know about the exact story you're talking about, you're much more informed as this is your profession, but just like I don't believe in simple things written in a Religious books, I don't really believe that each one went on a different direction and each one wrote the same story....could be true again... but personally I don't think it's wise to convince someone about something that took place +2300 years ago.
Thought so. But had to write something.
Thought so. But had to write something.
all i have to say is that i never, EVER, ridicule a person.
I reserve the right to ridicule a belief that is.....well, ridiculous.
That said, this is the best simple words description of Christianity i have ever seen.
(and funniest at that too) ....
I reserve the right to ridicule a belief that is.....well, ridiculous.
That said, this is the best simple words description of Christianity i have ever seen.
(and funniest at that too) ....
I can't put enough smiley faces in here to show you how great this is.
It is. That's why you can't 100% exclude neither of them and say they didn't happen. You can easily find many mistakes in the bible but there are things that you can't prove 100% and say they happend/didn't happen.
That's why the debate is still going on. It would have been finished long time ago if these things coul have been proven.
Logic and sanity will decide what will you accept as true / not true.
That's why the debate is still going on. It would have been finished long time ago if these things coul have been proven.
Logic and sanity will decide what will you accept as true / not true.