Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (35 Viewers)
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As already stated, some of the things in religion are bad. I agreed with you, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough. And of course it is hypothetical because it won't happen in at least a couple of thousands of years. So yeah the platform is not good but it is a platform created by humans thus if we take it away it will only be replaced with a new one with a different name. Be it science or whatever the platform won't have improved. But I will concede one point to you, one that I already acknowledged in last post. I do think secularization is a must to improve society's around world. This means that knowledge is something that can lessen our problems but looking the european so called secularised societies does also show that they still have issues such as racism (which could in some cases be compared to indifference between religions). I'm not saying extremism religion is good, on the contrary. And extremism (yes, the pope is one) of any kind should always be conquered with logic and reasoning. Bringing violence won't help. I loved the movie the book of eli mainly because they depicted this so well. As you might see I sort of agree with you on most points. Our main differences are that I don't believe in violence of any kind unless you are oppressed and have to rebel to enable secularization, democracy etc. The other point is that I believe that the platform is made by humans and therefor will only be replaced by humans and the same thing. Unless we "cure" greed.
By the way I'm grateful for your answer, wasn't expecting one.
I know now that you despise the kind of discussions that I prefer so I won't enforce an answer from you. I want to add that I am not trying to convince you I am merely curious of your thoughts.
By the way I'm grateful for your answer, wasn't expecting one.
I know now that you despise the kind of discussions that I prefer so I won't enforce an answer from you. I want to add that I am not trying to convince you I am merely curious of your thoughts.
well I would rather be weird or strange than normal
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Excellent post! Its just easy for people to blame God and the religious, they never want to talk about the atheists who did horrid atrocities, just because they are horrible people ..Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc
---------- Post added 06.03.2012 at 12:41 ----------
Excellent post! Its just easy for people to blame God and the religious, they never want to talk about the atheists who did horrid atrocities, just because they are horrible people ..Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc
As already stated, some of the things in religion are bad. I agreed with you, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough. And of course it is hypothetical because it won't happen in at least a couple of thousands of years. So yeah the platform is not good but it is a platform created by humans thus if we take it away it will only be replaced with a new one with a different name. Be it science or whatever the platform won't have improved. But I will concede one point to you, one that I already acknowledged in last post. I do think secularization is a must to improve society's around world. This means that knowledge is something that can lessen our problems but looking the european so called secularised societies does also show that they still have issues such as racism (which could in some cases be compared to indifference between religions). I'm not saying extremism religion is good, on the contrary. And extremism (yes, the pope is one) of any kind should always be conquered with logic and reasoning. Bringing violence won't help. I loved the movie the book of eli mainly because they depicted this so well. As you might see I sort of agree with you on most points. Our main differences are that I don't believe in violence of any kind unless you are oppressed and have to rebel to enable secularization, democracy etc. The other point is that I believe that the platform is made by humans and therefor will only be replaced by humans and the same thing. Unless we "cure" greed.
By the way I'm grateful for your answer, wasn't expecting one. I know now that you despise the kind of discussions that I prefer so I won't enforce an answer from you. I want to add that I am not trying to convince you I am merely curious of your thoughts.
By the way I'm grateful for your answer, wasn't expecting one.
I know now that you despise the kind of discussions that I prefer so I won't enforce an answer from you. I want to add that I am not trying to convince you I am merely curious of your thoughts.
Whats your username about? Tak means different thinks in different languages/
I see it every day. I'm a scientist. Ridiculing my colleagues is not just for sports, it is a serious war. I see a lot of similarities between science and religion. I see your point and agree that not many things could replace religion. Many different scenarios could await and let's not even get into that kind of hypothetical discussion. Not even I would find that interesting. But as long as their is greed people who want power will search for ways to get power. Berlusconi and people a like will always find a way to get what they want as long as they are determined, manipulative and so on.
By the way I am once again really thankful for your answer and that you didn't simply shrug me off.
It's just from a character in a Stephen King book Desperation. An evil mofo who's kind of funny and his name is Tak. He has a tic that he has to hit something and shout his name every now and then. I found it funny and the name stuck with me ever since I read it. Haven't really looked into the possibility that Stephen might actually have found a reason for naming "him" Tak. It is entirely possible. My picture is a guy playing Tak in the movie Desperation.
But as long as their is greed people who want power will search for ways to get power. Berlusconi and people a like will always find a way to get what they want as long as they are determined, manipulative and so on. By the way I am once again really thankful for your answer and that you didn't simply shrug me off.
It's just from a character in a Stephen King book Desperation. An evil mofo who's kind of funny and his name is Tak. He has a tic that he has to hit something and shout his name every now and then. I found it funny and the name stuck with me ever since I read it. Haven't really looked into the possibility that Stephen might actually have found a reason for naming "him" Tak. It is entirely possible. My picture is a guy playing Tak in the movie Desperation.
I see it every day. I'm a scientist. Ridiculing my colleagues is not just for sports, it is a serious war. I see a lot of similarities between science and religion. I see your point and agree that not many things could replace religion. Many different scenarios could await and let's not even get into that kind of hypothetical discussion. Not even I would find that interesting. But as long as their is greed people who want power will search for ways to get power. Berlusconi and people a like will always find a way to get what they want as long as they are determined, manipulative and so on.
By the way I am once again really thankful for your answer and that you didn't simply shrug me off.
It's just from a character in a Stephen King book Desperation. An evil mofo who's kind of funny and his name is Tak. He has a tic that he has to hit something and shout his name every now and then. I found it funny and the name stuck with me ever since I read it. Haven't really looked into the possibility that Stephen might actually have found a reason for naming "him" Tak. It is entirely possible. My picture is a guy playing Tak in the movie Desperation.
But as long as their is greed people who want power will search for ways to get power. Berlusconi and people a like will always find a way to get what they want as long as they are determined, manipulative and so on. By the way I am once again really thankful for your answer and that you didn't simply shrug me off.
It's just from a character in a Stephen King book Desperation. An evil mofo who's kind of funny and his name is Tak. He has a tic that he has to hit something and shout his name every now and then. I found it funny and the name stuck with me ever since I read it. Haven't really looked into the possibility that Stephen might actually have found a reason for naming "him" Tak. It is entirely possible. My picture is a guy playing Tak in the movie Desperation.
"Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body".
He should have said:
"Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body except George Lippert".
http://thehumanmarvels.com/?p=62
He should have said:
"Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body except George Lippert".
http://thehumanmarvels.com/?p=62
