Do You Trust the Police? (4 Viewers)

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So I have to provide a reason to open a thread? Is this like papers, please?

Find me a similar thread that is open and not from years ago.
If we had a thread for every "Andy hates Zionists", "Andy hates people who use FM for their transfer ideas", "Andy hates Qatar", etc., etc., this place would be a bigger crap cesspool than it is already.
 

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    If we had a thread for every "Andy hates Zionists", "Andy hates people who use FM for their transfer ideas", etc., etc., this place would be a bigger crap cesspool than it is already.
    There isn't anything wrong with a thread highlighting police brutality.
     

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    "We" dont know the kind of people they deal with, the kind who sees courtesy as fear and weakness, but most cops can discern 'civilians' from the rest
    Excessive force videos like this are always going to be a hot topic but I feel that people tend to overlook the officer's point of view in a lot of cases.

    If you're a cop and you make a move for someone then you have to make damn sure you take them down. If they don't get control of the person's hands and that person had say a knife or something they could get stabbed.

    Can't believe I'm sticking up for pigs.
     

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    If we had a thread for every "Andy hates Zionists", "Andy hates people who use FM for their transfer ideas", "Andy hates Qatar", etc., etc., this place would be a bigger crap cesspool than it is already.
    How about one thread for all of it? The things Andy hates do make for interesting discussion.
     

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    There isn't anything wrong with a thread highlighting police brutality.
    No. But rehashing the same crap over and over again and talking in circles on it starts pushing the cross-posting/re-posting limits of the forum rules.

    So tell you what. We leave this thread open. Anytime there are future whines about police, they get moved here and yanked from whatever other forum they are posted in.
     

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    Can't believe I'm sticking up for pigs.
    I think it's because you're a rational person. Some people paint the world black and white in that "all jews are ___", "all Arabs are ___", "all priests are ___", "all lawyers are ____", all politicians are ___"...

    It's a convenient psychological crutch to stereotype people by race, religion, profession, title, sexual orientation, etc. But it takes people capable of critical thinking to stop for a second and say, "Hey, wait a second... a sweeping statement like that is bullshit."
     
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    It's not like I create a whole lot of threads, after all. But blast away officer.

    Deneb, in my area the cops are rednecks whose only job is to fleece you for traffic violations. They don't serve any purpose other than to create revenue for the local municipality. We've had bank robberies at the same bank on consecutive Fridays in the past and the robbers weren't caught because the cops were too busy speed trapping everyone. It's ridiculous. I know for a fact that if my house is invaded, the cops aren't going to save me.
     
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    So tell you what. We leave this thread open. Anytime there are future whines about police, they get moved here and yanked from whatever other forum they are posted in.
    'Whines." Yes, lets outlaw whining against police brutality. That's the sort of response I expected from you, Greg.
     

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    It's not like I create a whole lot of threads, after all. But blast away officer.

    Deneb, in my area the cops are rednecks whose only job is to fleece you for traffic violations. They don't serve any purpose other than to create revenue for the local municipality. We've had bank robberies at the same bank on consecutive Fridays in the past and the robbers weren't caught because the cops were too busy speed trapping everyone. It's ridiculous. I know for a fact that if my house is invaded, the caps aren't going to save me.
    in that case i am with you, always hated suburban cops.
     

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    It's not like I create a whole lot of threads, after all. But blast away officer.

    Deneb, in my area the cops are rednecks whose only job is to fleece you for traffic violations. They don't serve any purpose other than to create revenue for the local municipality. We've had bank robberies at the same bank on consecutive Fridays in the past and the robbers weren't caught because the cops were too busy speed trapping everyone. It's ridiculous. I know for a fact that if my house is invaded, the cops aren't going to save me.
    I feel you on that. I live in a small town and the cops are that way here too except they're not rednecks just fat old dicks who harass the young people.
     
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    I think it's because you're a rational person. Some people paint the world black and white in that "all jews are ___", "all Arabs are ___", "all priests are ___", "all lawyers are ____", all politicians are ___"...

    It's a convenient psychological crutch to stereotype people by race, religion, profession, title, sexual orientation, etc. But it takes people capable of critical thinking to stop for a second and say, "Hey, wait a second... a sweeping statement like that is bullshit."
    I don't think I ever said all police are bad. That's obviously not true. But it is very rational to not trust the police if you're a victim of them breaching their own code of conduct. It happens all the time, and yes, it happened to me.

    This country has too many folks who have a fetish for respecting authority instead of questioning it.
     

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    I don't think I ever said all police are bad. That's obviously not true. But it is very rational to not trust the police if you're a victim of them breaching their own code of conduct. It happens all the time, and yes, it happened to me.

    This country has too many folks who have a fetish for respecting authority instead of questioning it.
    What would you propose as an alternative? Disband police forces and just turn things over to vigilantes? What's your solution?

    The easy road is pointing out what you don't like. The hard part is thinking about how you'd fix it.
     
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    I remember when Robert Pepponzio Padovenustiano Carranzasca and I were pulled over by officer V. Mancino in front of the North Ridge Country Club.

    We were just on our way to adult ed bible class. We just wanted to be our brother's keepers in a bag.

    Alas, it wasn't to be.
     
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    What would you propose as an alternative? Disband police forces and just turn things over to vigilantes? What's your solution?

    The easy road is pointing out what you don't like. The hard part is thinking about how you'd fix it.
    The essence of the problem is more complicated than just the cops are bad. As individuals, some certainly are, others are not. Sometimes department heads are corrupt.

    Instead, the predicament we face has more to do with how this country has turned into a burgeoning police state after 9/11. The constant message we hear from certain departments in the federal government is that danger is near, danger is hiding around every corner, we're here to protect you, we need to surveil you, if you see anything suspicious report it here, et cetera, and so on. So this sort of message naturally filters down to local police forces who could very well be trying their best to serve the community, but instead they fall for the whole mantra of anyone can be a terrorist, so we can't take any chances. This creates a mistrust between the police and public, and therefore the former is "forced" to overstep their boundaries. And the cycle continues. All of this is related to a certain fear factor in our society that has frankly gotten out of control.

    In policing nowadays, it's more about suspicion instead of probable cause, and that in part stems directly from (what I call) propaganda from the federal government. So if we want to talk about solutions to the police acting appropriately, we can start by shutting off this constant terror machine. But as the economy continues to flounder and states and municipalities hurt for cash, they're going to use any excuse they can to raise it, and that means more breaking of the rules. So you can bet your bottom dollar that the policing situation in this country will continue to deteriorate and one day we'll find ourselves with a similar situation to Mexico.
     

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    Fear funds budgets. Since the death of the Communist USSR fear, we needed something to fill the gap. Terrorism has been a convenient crutch.
     

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