Do you believe in miracles? (9 Viewers)

[rounder]

Well, I can't explain the current state of our club, the fact that the shareholders are allowing this gang of incompetent people run it so badly.

Is that a miracle?

I can explain it for you. It's because oif the calciopoli we face this dark period of time. It's not a miracle.

I've learned something today, like every day. Trying to explain the concept of a miracle to an atheist is pointless. The fact of the matter is, you don't want to believe in miracles, perhaps because not believing in god gives you a sense of supreme egotistic pride that we theists lack, or perhaps because you choose not to worship god and sacrifice the things you take comfort of doing for something that is not tangible.

You are entitled you your opinion but please do not mock these countless numbers of people that have experienced genuine miracles just because you don't think it's possible. I personally know people that have witnessed or experienced miracles, these miracles have dramatically changed their lives for the better. However, I did notice that all these people actually had a love for god and strongly believed in him. I don't imagine an atheist with an attitude against god would ever experience or witness a miracle.

God isn't trying to prove himself to us. Surely, he isn't trying to do so for people who deny his very existence. Some people have been cured from paralysis, incurable diseases just because they believed. I'm not saying you should believe, that's entirely up to you. However, I'm pretty sure you don't know too much about miracles, I suggest you don't try to disprove the idea of something you don't know about.

You're just sitting there on your chair looking with the utmost skepticism wiith anything that remotely conflicts your opinion. It's understandable that you do so, like I said, maybe you're more comfortable with an atheist lifestyle.

Watch an episode from the 700 club someday. It may just give you something to think about.

Because a true, undisputed, live, hard evidence that God exists,
-meaning a miracle-
would automatically turn every non-believer into a sclave.
No one would dare to ignore His will, they would all live as pawns.
But now a miracle can be doubted and so as His will...

I'm a theist yet I live freely. I do what I want when I want. I live a happy life and I'm thankful to god each and every single day. The only thing I prevent myself from doing is immoral acts that could damage others, I think that's the duty of every human on earth so I don't see it as holding me back from anything.

 

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[Martin]

You are entitled you your opinion but please do not mock these countless numbers of people that have experienced genuine miracles just because you don't think it's possible.

I'm not mocking them. I'm saying what they remember to have experienced probably has another explanation. This is not surprising, like I said our brains do things that we don't expect sometimes. The difference is I think stuff that seems impossible happens inside the brain (like seeing UFOs), while you think it's happening out in the world.

I personally know people that have witnessed or experienced miracles, these miracles have dramatically changed their lives for the better. However, I did notice that all these people actually had a love for god and strongly believed in him. I don't imagine an atheist with an attitude against god would ever experience or witness a miracle.

This is what I mean about close mindedness. Have you ever witnessed or heard about something that you couldn't explain and didn't automatically assume it was god? A person with an open mind will witness something inexplicable and not make any assumptions about why it happened. But a person who thinks god is lurking everywhere will always say that it was god, everything that's not explained is god.

 

[Zlatan]

So I take it you dont believe in UFO's?

 

[Martin]

Not particularly, no.

 

[Bjerknes]

So you don't believe there is life apart from that on earth?

 

[Martin]

No. I think that's wishful thinking, which is very understandable. But if you read a little psychology you quickly realize how many things we tell ourselves just for the sake of staying sane.

 

[Cuti]

If we beat Real on Tuesday I'll start believing in them

 

[Geof]

No. I think that's wishful thinking, which is very understandable. But if you read a little psychology you quickly realize how many things we tell ourselves just for the sake of staying sane.

Wait... I didn't get what you meant. What does psychology have to do with the existence of life on other planets?

 

[Kosta]

If we beat Real on Tuesday I'll start believing in them

,and you see Ranieri with stigmata on his hands.

 

[Martin]

Wait... I didn't get what you meant. What does psychology have to do with the existence of life on other planets?

How do you perceive a UFO? With your eyes, yes? And the signal from your eye sockets doesn't actually mean anything until it reaches the brain and the brain proceeds to interpret it. Boom, there you have psychology.

 

[rounder]

I'm not mocking them. I'm saying what they remember to have experienced probably has another explanation. This is not surprising, like I said our brains do things that we don't expect sometimes. The difference is I think stuff that seems impossible happens inside the brain (like seeing UFOs), while you think it's happening out in the world.



This is what I mean about close mindedness. Have you ever witnessed or heard about something that you couldn't explain and didn't automatically assume it was god? A person with an open mind will witness something inexplicable and not make any assumptions about why it happened. But a person who thinks god is lurking everywhere will always say that it was god, everything that's not explained is god.

No, you got it all wrong. An open minded person would examine all the possibilties, if none seem justifiable, then he would think it's god. When I see somethink extraordinary, I don't just say it was god. You make it seem so dramatic. You keep magnifying everything I say.

When I see a miracle, a person being cured from an incurable disease. and this coincidentally happens in a church, and nothing I or anyone else could think of can explain this phenomena, only then would I say it was god.

How do you know UFO's don't exist. Again, you claim something to be impossible just because you don't think it's possible. Reading a piece on Sigmund Freud does not explain all of life's answers. He is, by the way, only human. he only gives opinions which seem logical and reasonable, they don't have to always be true.
Maybe if you were the one that saw above you, you would change your mind. But you choose to believe that it's purely psycological because you have read that somewhere. It's not a sin to think for yourself and consider the possibilty of an unexpected phenomena(UFO) to be true.

I am not saying I believe in aliens. I really have to insight on this topic for I have never met one, or seen anything other than a dew documentaries that concern aliens. I would never rule out the possibility of their existence however.

 

[Geof]

How do you perceive a UFO? With your eyes, yes? And the signal from your eye sockets doesn't actually mean anything until it reaches the brain and the brain proceeds to interpret it. Boom, there you have psychology.

Ok, I'm not disputing the fact that a lot of people who reported seeing an UFO were probably a bit psychologically unstable, if not totally nuts, but can you rule out that one of them was right?

And even if a UFO never reached our planet, what does that say about life on other planets?

 

[rounder]

How do you perceive a UFO? With your eyes, yes? And the signal from your eye sockets doesn't actually mean anything until it reaches the brain and the brain proceeds to interpret it. Boom, there you have psychology.

Then how do we know anything we see is actually real. Since it's psycology, perhaps it's our minds playing tricks on us. Maybe this really isn't a computer infront of me. Maybe it's just my mind wanting me to believe it's a computer.

 

[Martin]

Ok, I'm not disputing the fact that a lot of people who reported seeing an UFO were probably a bit psychologically unstable, if not totally nuts, but can you rule out that one of them was right?

Look, questions like "can you rule it out" are pointless. Can you rule out the possibility that someone drugged you in the night, took you to India to participate in a ritual, brought you back again and removed all the traces of this? No. But there's no particular reason to hold out hope for this, is there? People claim to have been abducted by aliens and prodded in their spaceships. I don't believe that either.

And even if a UFO never reached our planet, what does that say about life on other planets?

I don't know, what does it?

 

[Martin]

Then how do we know anything we see is actually real. Since it's psycology, perhaps it's our minds playing tricks on us. Maybe this really isn't a computer infront of me. Maybe it's just my mind wanting me to believe it's a computer.

I'm pleased that you have arrived here. My point exactly

And I think that the more we realize how fragile our perception of the world is, the better we are equipped to understand things that seem inexplicable. And the closer we are to understanding why some people get locked up in a nuthouse because they are "crazy", a single word that has no meaning we actually understand.

 

[Bjerknes]

I believe there is life on other planets. Not because I don't want to feel "alone," but because science suggests it. Being an atheist while claiming there is only life on earth doesn't make much sense to me IMO.

 

[Martin]

I believe there is life on other planets. Not because I don't want to feel "alone," but because science suggests it. Being an atheist while claiming there is only life on earth doesn't make much sense to me IMO.

How so?

And how do you define "life" btw?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

How so?

And how do you define "life" btw?

If one in 50 Trillion planets has life, then there are billions of planets with life out there.

I define life as anything from a tree to a single-celled organism, to things like us.

 

[Bjerknes]

How so?

And how do you define "life" btw?

The whole God theory revolves around God only creating life on his earth. It seems weird to me to reject all other possibilities while being an atheist, succumbing to religious teaching.

Life: same life found here, from maggots to monkeys.

 

[Martin]

If one in 50 Trillion planets has life, then there are billions of planets with life out there.

I define life as anything from a tree to a single-celled organism, to things like us.

I think the salient question is: what causes life? If there are billions of planets in the universe with similar climatic conditions as ours, then it seems plausible that life would have sprung up there as it has here. But what determines the beginning of life, the creation of the first organisms? We don't know that yet.

Btw imagine collecting billions of Burke's from all the other planets. Spooky.