Diego Ribas da Cunha (57 Viewers)

[Rollie]

Great post man. That's why I hate Leaf fans. They all support the team, even though management cares nothing about winning championships. They never buy Superstars and that's because people fill the arena every single night, even tho they lose every single night. Montreal fans are bthe best in the world cause they are the opposite. Montreal doesnt put a good team on the ice, fans wont support the team. Suppoorting a team when they do shit is WRONG.

With that said though, to not support the team cause they are thinking of selling one player is retarded lol.



More I think about it, more I want them to sell Diego. Great post man.

I've been a Bruins fan for 20 years, and I hate the Leafs as well, but they get some great support. I grew up in Kingston, I don't like their fans, but Toronto fills it up, and that's always good to see.

The part I've bolded is just ridiculous. If you don't attempt to support your team, you're not a true fan. Also, if your theory was widely accepted, fans would risk losing their team in a lot of smaller markets (or they would drop to an inferior league in footy). Totally disagree with this attitude.

And for the record, my teams are the Boston Bruins, the SF 49ers, The Toronto Raptors, and Juventus. Other than the Bianconeri, there's a whole lot of losing right there, and I still support them all.

If you support a team, you're either in it for the long haul, or you're a bandwagon hopper, which is not a category of sports fan that I particularly respect.

Edit: Also - Montreal fans support that team intensely. They have one of the top groups of fans in the league...

 

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[X Æ A-12]

Great post man. That's why I hate Leaf fans. They all support the team, even though management cares nothing about winning championships. They never buy Superstars and that's because people fill the arena every single night, even tho they lose every single night. Montreal fans are bthe best in the world cause they are the opposite. Montreal doesnt put a good team on the ice, fans wont support the team. Suppoorting a team when they do shit is WRONG.

With that said though, to not support the team cause they are thinking of selling one player is retarded lol.



More I think about it, more I want them to sell Diego. Great post man.

Did you support Juventus in Serie B?

 

[chester]

Sorry guys, but...



I TOLD YOU SO


:faq1:



This is why I was stressing to you folks that you need to pay attention the language these guys use. Marotta and Del Neri never said that Diego was off the market, so that should have been enough for you guys to question it.

To the people that said "I can't believe it, he will not be sold," I really, really wish you were right. But you can't live on hope in this world, you have to deal with reality. And it has been pretty obvious that MarotTARD has been shopping Diego.

If the deal goes through, then Del Neri and his Samp butt-buddy can fuck off.

Looks like I indeed have to admit I was wrong, how much it hurts, it seems he is a goner within a few days.

 

[Bjerknes]

The thing is that we have to look not just at this campaign but next year's and maybe the year after. Right now Marotta is cleaning up a mess. What if he's eyeing someone else in next year's market that plays the same spot as Diego?

Diego plays a prime position on the field and he's not a superstar. If we build the team around him then we are only going to go as far as he takes us. He can only play in one formation right? A 4-2-3-1. He tries in the 4-4-1-1 but I don't see him having success against teams that are better than Shamrock and Sturm Graz.

So if we have a player that can only play 4-2-3-1 and he is not a superstar then what do we really have?

This is a major point and I think this is getting overlooked. If we want to play 4-2-3-1 then we cannot buy a trequartista because Diego is there. If we want to play 4-4-2 then we can't buy a SS because Diego is there.

Basically, we have to play those formations with Diego there and we can't bring anyone else in. Now you have to ask yourselves is he good enough to prevent us from buying other players in those positions?

I'm going to try my best not to blow my stack on this post.

Too many what ifs, not enough facts. Even if Marotta had a better player than Diego in mind for next season, why wouldn't he keep said player for this season? Why sell him now at a loss after only one season in which the whole side was disastrous? Wouldn't you say a player like Diego who has shown value in the past should be given another chance, especially when he has apparently worked his ass off this preseason, admitted through Del Neri's own words? Even if you disagree with giving players second chances, selling a player now to make way for a replacement 365 days in advance is sheer stupidity. So that part of your post makes zero sense, but you might be thinking like Marotta here.

Diego played in the 4-3-1-2 and did fine in the 4-2-3-1 before Ferrara foolishly reverted back to the diamond midfield. The 4-2-3-1 and the 4-4-1-1 are practically the same system, so I have absolutely NO clue how you can say he succeeds at one but fails at the other. The only real difference in the system is that perhaps the wingers fall back a bit more. Mind explaining that one to us? How would Diego be class in the 4-2-3-1 but fail at the 4-4-1-1?

And why can't we purchase a good SS with Diego in the team? If someone better does come along, who says Diego needs to start no matter what? There isn't some stipulation in Diego's contract that he must start no matter what, so where do you get this from? Do you mean Diego's salary or transfer fee is keeping us from buying another player? Is it another Poulsen case? I just don't see any sense in this. Even if we do have sights on a better player, Diego could still be a great backup.

Lets be honest here. Diego is being sold for only one logical reason, and that is he doesn't fit Del Neri's straight 4-4-2 system. He isn't exactly like a Cassano or Di Natale in that he is not a real SS who scores tons of goals, but rather is a trequarista behind two strikers. So what we have here is a case of the managers having their heart set on a particular formation no matter what players they have on their roster. And this is the problem with stubborn, mediocre managers like DN.

But even if you love Del Neri and his system, one has to have sympathy for Diego, a player who takes the majority of the blame for a poor season with huge expectations and an incredibly poor team. I wish him luck wherever he goes.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Lets be honest here. Diego is being sold for only one logical reason, and that is he doesn't fit Del Neri's straight 4-4-2 system. He isn't exactly like a Cassano or Di Natale in that he is not a real SS who scores tons of goals, but rather is a trequarista behind two strikers. So what we have here is a case of the managers having their heart set on a particular formation no matter what players they have on their roster. And this is the problem with stubborn, mediocre managers like DN.

Sucks doesn't it?

 

[Rollie]

I'm going to try my best not to blow my stack on this post.

Too many what ifs, not enough facts. Even if Marotta had a better player than Diego in mind for next season, why wouldn't he keep said player for this season? Why sell him now at a loss after only one season in which the whole side was disastrous? Wouldn't you say a player like Diego who has shown value in the past should be given another chance, especially when he has apparently worked his ass off this preseason, admitted through Del Neri's own words? Even if you disagree with giving players second chances, selling a player now to make way for a replacement 365 days in advance is sheer stupidity. So that part of your post makes zero sense, but you might be thinking like Marotta here.

Diego played in the 4-3-1-2 and did fine in the 4-2-3-1 before Ferrara foolishly reverted back to the diamond midfield. The 4-2-3-1 and the 4-4-1-1 are practically the same system, so I have absolutely NO clue how you can say he succeeds at one but fails at the other. The only real difference in the system is that perhaps the wingers fall back a bit more. Mind explaining that one to us? How would Diego be class in the 4-2-3-1 but fail at the 4-4-1-1?

And why can't we purchase a good SS with Diego in the team? If someone better does come along, who says Diego needs to start no matter what? There isn't some stipulation in Diego's contract that he must start no matter what, so where do you get this from? Do you mean Diego's salary or transfer fee is keeping us from buying another player? Is it another Poulsen case? I just don't see any sense in this. Even if we do have sights on a better player, Diego could still be a great backup.

Lets be honest here. Diego is being sold for only one logical reason, and that is he doesn't fit Del Neri's straight 4-4-2 system. He isn't exactly like a Cassano or Di Natale in that he is not a real SS who scores tons of goals, but rather is a trequarista behind two strikers. So what we have here is a case of the managers having their heart set on a particular formation no matter what players they have on their roster. And this is the problem with stubborn, mediocre managers like DN.

But even if you love Del Neri and his system, one has to have sympathy for Diego, a player who takes the majority of the blame for a poor season with huge expectations and an incredibly poor team. I wish him luck wherever he goes.

Now that's some beautiful restraint, buddy. Very articulate as well...

 

[Bjerknes]

I hate to be negative toward a poster buddy, but there are several pretty big leaps you've taken above. Right now, we're about to sell Diego WELL below what we paid for him; even if we got 20M, we're still out 5M. That alone is poor business.

Beyond that, where did you get the idea that Diego can only play in one formation? That's simply not true.

Then you start talking about how the one position he can play is a 4-2-3-1, and say that if we want to buy a treq for that formation, then we can't because Diego is there... but you just said that's the position he can play. What?

Anyway, we're not going to be playing those formations... not with this coach.

Finally, I have no idea how you can say that you "don't see him having success against teams that are better than Shamrock and Sturm Graz" when it's the beginning of the year, he has a ton of new teammates, and he's adjusting to a new position. That's the very definition of a knee jerk reaction.

Edit: I edited this because I misinterpreted one of your points, but I still largely disagree with what you've said.
Edit#2: Mr. Beck, Bjerknes makes an excellent point about the 4-2-3-1 and the 4-4-1-1 being very similar formations, with some minor differences, such as the responsibilities for the wingers...

Didn't see your post at first, well said.

 

[Hust]

Andy, I haven't seen a post that big from you in a long time

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

I know we would take a loss for selling Diego, but maybe the club just realize they over paid for him in the first place and figure if they can get $20m out of it and use that money to further strengthen the squad they should take it, for if he fails yet again we will be lucky to get half that next summer.

IDK, I just can't believe the club will sell him without a deal to bring Dzeko in.

If there is no Dzeko then I don't like the idea of selling Diego.

 

[Hust]

Still, it's kinda weird we just spent 25m on him a year ago and he hasn't reached his peak playing years yet and we are selling him for less? No way that makes sense. If it's true he goes to VW then we gotta be getting first dibs on Dzeko next season.

 

[Paolo Rossi]

I've been a Bruins fan for 20 years, and I hate the Leafs as well, but they get some great support. I grew up in Kingston, I don't like their fans, but Toronto fills it up, and that's always good to see.

The part I've bolded is just ridiculous. If you don't attempt to support your team, you're not a true fan. Also, if your theory was widely accepted, fans would risk losing their team in a lot of smaller markets (or they would drop to an inferior league in footy). Totally disagree with this attitude.

And for the record, my teams are the Boston Bruins, the SF 49ers, The Toronto Raptors, and Juventus. Other than the Bianconeri, there's a whole lot of losing right there, and I still support them all.

If you support a team, you're either in it for the long haul, or you're a bandwagon hopper, which is not a category of sports fan that I particularly respect.

Edit: Also - Montreal fans support that team intensely. They have one of the top groups of fans in the league...

The point Im trying to make is, you cannot support a team when they are shit.

What you guys dont understand is, there is a big difference in supporting a team when they are struggling, thgan supporting a team when management doesn't give a shit about the team.

Why do you guys love Juve? I love Juve 'cause they have a great structure, a winning mentality, they know how to win and they know how to lose. They team tries to win every year and the players always put the team first (Most of them anyway...).

I dont care if they had a bad season, thats no reason not to support them. That wasn't my point at all. My point is, to support a team that doesn't care about the fans is wrong. (Leafs management never tries to put out a winning team, cause they dont give a fuck, the place is always sold out anyway. I wont support a club like that.)

Did you support Juventus in Serie B?

Yes, I even bought RAI so I could watch the games.

 

[Hust]

I know we would take a loss for selling Diego, but maybe the club just realize they over paid for him in the first place and figure if they can get $20m out of it and use that money to further strengthen the squad they should take it, for if he fails yet again we will be lucky to get half that next summer.

IDK, I just can't believe the club will sell him without a deal to bring Dzeko in.

If there is no Dzeko then I don't like the idea of selling Diego.

I remember people hailing the 25m fee saying it was a steal according to some of the other transfer fees. And now we are selling him for less.

 

[X Æ A-12]

What doesn't make sense is selling your best attacking player at what could be a significant loss.

 

[X Æ A-12]

When I wake up tomorrow I hope he is still here:xfinger:

 

[chester]

Maybe it is 15 million + barzagli.

 

[Bjerknes]

I have to say, another ugly trend on the forum is starting to rear its ugly head again. Slowly but surely, folks are starting to accept that Diego is a goner. And just like they did with Criscito and Giovinco, now Diego will be the target of silly criticisms to relieve the disapproval of losing the player. He won't be a target of accusations of treason like Criscito, but I am willing to gamble that he will suffer the same fate as Giovinco with posters getting all giddy over the replacement, a la Lanzafame. Mind you, Lanza was barely mentioned on this forum before this summer. Now he's better than Giovinco.

This is the typical tribal mentality. Sustain a big loss, either 1) find a scapegoat or 2) brainwash yourself into thinking it's not a loss at all based on faux hopes, faith or other (per)versions of subjectivity.

Folks need to realize that the club can certainly do itself wrong and you're not any more or less of a fan for criticizing it.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

Still, it's kinda weird we just spent 25m on him a year ago and he hasn't reached his peak playing years yet and we are selling him for less? No way that makes sense. If it's true he goes to VW then we gotta be getting first dibs on Dzeko next season.

If we don't get Dzeko now I don't know if we ever will. You would think Milan would be crushing on him since he is supposedly a fan since childhood.

 

[Paolo Rossi]

Lets be honest here. Diego is being sold for only one logical reason, and that is he doesn't fit Del Neri's straight 4-4-2 system. He isn't exactly like a Cassano or Di Natale in that he is not a real SS who scores tons of goals, but rather is a trequarista behind two strikers. So what we have here is a case of the managers having their heart set on a particular formation no matter what players they have on their roster. And this is the problem with stubborn, mediocre managers like DN.

You've just said it best. We would have to basically build the team around him....the problem here seems to be that Juve doesn't think he is good enough to carry Juve anymore. They dont believe in him anymore. If Diego was a Messi or a Ronaldo, I bet you anything DN would have changed his formation to fit their skills, but I guess Diego is not a good enough player to do that in his/theirs opinion.

 

[Rollie]

The point Im trying to make is, you cannot support a team when they are shit.

What you guys dont understand is, there is a big difference in supporting a team when they are struggling, thgan supporting a team when management doesn't give a shit about the team.

Why do you guys love Juve? I love Juve 'cause they have a great structure, a winning mentality, they know how to win and they know how to lose. They team tries to win every year and the players always put the team first (Most of them anyway...).

I dont care if they had a bad season, thats no reason not to support them. That wasn't my point at all. My point is, to support a team that doesn't care about the fans is wrong. (Leafs management never tries to put out a winning team, cause they dont give a fuck, the place is always sold out anyway. I wont support a club like that.)

Are you familiar with the Boston Bruins ownership/management? Trust me, I understand what you're saying, I just completely disagree man.

 

[Paolo Rossi]

Folks need to realize that the club can certainly do itself wrong and you're not any more or less of a fan for criticizing it.

Exactly...it's like if your kid does something wrong and you don't punish him. If you do that, it means you are a bad parent and if you dont criticize your team when they fk up, you;re a bad fan.