Diego Ribas da Cunha (20 Viewers)
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Are you serious? Zidane's Juve, Kaka's Milan( A few years ago), Ronaldo's United were all much better teams than Juve. That's what you get for getting relegated to serie B, it's a harsh reality that we have to accept.
The problem is not only Grygera and Molinaro. We have an ageing attack with Alex and Trez. We have a relatively weak defense with incompetent fullbacks. I think Camoranesi is the only player that can complement Diego going forward in our offensive midfield. Giovinco is not quite there yet.
I agree. I just think the management should have sold Trez and bought two very good fullbacks. As well as taking a gamble with someone like Cassano or G.Rossi. The way I see it, the addition of Diego and Melo lifted the team greatly, we are only one step short of being able to compete with the likes of Barca, United etc... And we could/should have made that step forward this summer.
Unfortunately, we have to reserve our playing style because of our incompetency in some departments that were clearly our weakest links in the past few seasons.
I love the fact that Diego is in Juve. I hate the fact that we haven't done more to improve our squad so that we could get the best out of him. I'm very surprised people here do not feel the same way. It's been 3 years since we have been in serie B. Why do we have to settle for being second best to Inter every single season?
And when we finally seem like we are making the right moves forward in the transfer market, we decide to stop then instead of finsihing what could have been one of the best transfer campaigns in recent memory.
Inter is going to win the scudetto this season. But we have a more talented midfield. Why? Because our management refuse to get rid of washed up has-beens like David Trezeguet, idiots like Molinaro and Grygera.
Let me put this into perspective for you. If Lionel Messi was playing for this Juve, Do you think he would have made the same impact he did with Barcelona. I can't really say for sure, but my guess would be a "no". Barca had no holes in their squad, they were complete. A perfect enviroment for a genius to work his magic. Hell, if Messi played for Barca with Grygera and Molinaro as their fullbacks, do you think they would have won the Champions League?
Now, with Diego being our Messi, our team is not perfect, only nearly perfect. We still have gaps in defense that will cost us more than we can afford this season.
Not only does it hurt me to see Diego play beautiful through balls to an idiot who can't cross if his life depended on it, it kills me. Patronize me all you want, once you see the difference between us winning a trophy this year and not winning one is two good fullbacks, you won't be acting too sarcastic.
The problem is not only Grygera and Molinaro. We have an ageing attack with Alex and Trez. We have a relatively weak defense with incompetent fullbacks. I think Camoranesi is the only player that can complement Diego going forward in our offensive midfield. Giovinco is not quite there yet.
I agree. I just think the management should have sold Trez and bought two very good fullbacks. As well as taking a gamble with someone like Cassano or G.Rossi. The way I see it, the addition of Diego and Melo lifted the team greatly, we are only one step short of being able to compete with the likes of Barca, United etc... And we could/should have made that step forward this summer.
Unfortunately, we have to reserve our playing style because of our incompetency in some departments that were clearly our weakest links in the past few seasons.
I love the fact that Diego is in Juve. I hate the fact that we haven't done more to improve our squad so that we could get the best out of him. I'm very surprised people here do not feel the same way. It's been 3 years since we have been in serie B. Why do we have to settle for being second best to Inter every single season?
And when we finally seem like we are making the right moves forward in the transfer market, we decide to stop then instead of finsihing what could have been one of the best transfer campaigns in recent memory.
Inter is going to win the scudetto this season. But we have a more talented midfield. Why? Because our management refuse to get rid of washed up has-beens like David Trezeguet, idiots like Molinaro and Grygera.
Let me put this into perspective for you. If Lionel Messi was playing for this Juve, Do you think he would have made the same impact he did with Barcelona. I can't really say for sure, but my guess would be a "no". Barca had no holes in their squad, they were complete. A perfect enviroment for a genius to work his magic. Hell, if Messi played for Barca with Grygera and Molinaro as their fullbacks, do you think they would have won the Champions League?
Now, with Diego being our Messi, our team is not perfect, only nearly perfect. We still have gaps in defense that will cost us more than we can afford this season.
Not only does it hurt me to see Diego play beautiful through balls to an idiot who can't cross if his life depended on it, it kills me. Patronize me all you want, once you see the difference between us winning a trophy this year and not winning one is two good fullbacks, you won't be acting too sarcastic.
Yeah, he aint sayin he doesn't want Diego at Juve. Just the fact that there are gaping holes in quality around him. Kaka played in a Milan team that had Maldini, Nesta, Seedorf and Pirlo. As Messi played in a Barca team with Iniesta, Eto'o, Xavi and Dani Alves. Okay we have some special players too, but the thing that really concerns me about us is we have no complete full-backs (especially considering they are needed for our system) and also we have a severe lack of speed. Milan and Barca did have complete teams, we are not a complete team. We just have some great players.
No offense, but either you are being intentionally hilarious, or you are one big ass sucker that embodies the type of feeble mindedness dictators feed on
Fans are supposed to be biased yes, and the above is hilarious, but the self-brainwashing of the above, if intended seriously, is too ridicolous
You prolly didnt mean to say that and miss represent him like that, but whataheck, it gives me an excuse to post this Juve Revolution, caution: Massive risk for bodily harm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ACUzCCza8
Juve Revolution, caution: Massive risk for bodily harm
Juve Revolution, caution: Massive risk for bodily harmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ACUzCCza8
Juve Revolution, caution: Massive risk for bodily harm
The attitude and personality of a player makes a lot of difference to me, when I am deciding whether he is, to me, a true Great, or just an ultra talented pigfucker...Certain egocentricities can be acceptced, even glorified, especially as a lot of geniuses, in all forms of Art, have been, and will continue to be savagely temperamental, uncontrollably wild, predictably vicious...
Some examples...
Cristiano Ronaldo. No doubt whatsoever that he is one of the most talented players of the world right now, and has been for several years. But he is not a true Great to me, because he has that seemingly typical portuguese trait of arrogance, that i have seen in portugese people I have met, and in their football team. generalization, for sure, but everyone forms their opinions of other countries, of the general traits which can be found there. And there are general traits, in cultures and bloodlines...The italians, especially the southern italians are far more likely to be hot blooded passionate madmen, than their anglo counterparts. the germs or germans, whatever term you are more comfortable with, are less open emotionally, more machine like, bloodless...Anyway, Ronaldo's blood and upbringing is no excuse, but its a reason, as to why he is insultingly arrogant. And for my money, not one of the True Greats.
Eric Cantona...Extreme talent, poetic manner of playing the beautiful game, intense, deep, and prone to violent outbursts, but for me, one of the True Greats. His eccentricities, mainly anger and rage, did not devalue him, at all, to me, as a man or footballer. Whether you saw him as arrogant of not, which can be traced to his french roots, i saw him more confident, and I loved watching him play.
Zidane...Algerian intense blood, with a tough marseille upbringing. Sublime talent. Composed himself impeccably, for the majority of the time, as well as regularly captivating the global football viewing public. But...he was prone to violent outbursts, like Cantona. I don't mean solely the headbutt on that swine Materazzi, I mean other occasions...at least twice for example, I saw him stamp on opponents who were on the ground. Still, a true Great...his 'flaws' like Cantona's 'flaws' to me, were manly flaws.
Perhaps it just falls down to the fact that I hate arrogance. And I respect Masculinity, when it shows itself in the Right manner.
Del Piero...a true great. definitely less talent than the others above, but his professionalism, decency, dedication, fairness, and consistency, mark him out as a legend, to out club, and to italian football in general.
Rooney...he is far closer to being a true great than Ronaldo. because he loves football, more than he loves himself. He has thug in his character. A lot of thug actually, and is physically and mentally geared more towards being a Sissoko or Montero, than an extremely talented forward, capable of creating as well as finishing, from all over the final third...
Yes, I see Juve as a team who have had very few swine in the ranks...but Moggi was hardly an honourable man...And I remember Moller regularly puffing out his chest, with his hands on his hips in a stance of pure nazi defiance...or have I imagined that memory????? Maybe it was a dream.
Yes, generally speaking, we have a decent club. Full of players who comport themselves more honourably than their counterparts at SOME other top clubs.
Manchester United are another one of this ilk, as are Barca, and in the past Milan. They are spoiled by their owner.
My other team, Gillingham, is another team of honourable folks, the manager sets the example for the team, and it shows in the increasing sense of family and togetherness which is flowing through the squad...I was so proud of him last season when a player who had left the club, made some comments about the Gills in the paper, about Stimson (the manager) and Stimson responded, live on TV, by saying something like...
'things like that should be kept behind closed doors. Where I come from, if you have a problem with a man, you say it to his face...its about respect. So rather than play his game, i will instead ask him to pay me a visit, and discuss this in person...'
Again, others may see that as thuggish, but that kind of attitude endears the man to me. As his point was valid...A player he is completely stragith with, smiles like a girl, then runs off, tells the press a different story. I hope Stimson gets him...hohoho!
BUT...i am being subjective. Other people might have hated Montero, though Nedved was less than honest, at times, despite how much we all adore him, and see Trez as a winging wannabe, who has never proven himself at the truest measure of a player, at international level...Its all down to the individual.
Some examples...
Cristiano Ronaldo. No doubt whatsoever that he is one of the most talented players of the world right now, and has been for several years. But he is not a true Great to me, because he has that seemingly typical portuguese trait of arrogance, that i have seen in portugese people I have met, and in their football team. generalization, for sure, but everyone forms their opinions of other countries, of the general traits which can be found there. And there are general traits, in cultures and bloodlines...The italians, especially the southern italians are far more likely to be hot blooded passionate madmen, than their anglo counterparts. the germs or germans, whatever term you are more comfortable with, are less open emotionally, more machine like, bloodless...Anyway, Ronaldo's blood and upbringing is no excuse, but its a reason, as to why he is insultingly arrogant. And for my money, not one of the True Greats.
Eric Cantona...Extreme talent, poetic manner of playing the beautiful game, intense, deep, and prone to violent outbursts, but for me, one of the True Greats. His eccentricities, mainly anger and rage, did not devalue him, at all, to me, as a man or footballer. Whether you saw him as arrogant of not, which can be traced to his french roots, i saw him more confident, and I loved watching him play.
Zidane...Algerian intense blood, with a tough marseille upbringing. Sublime talent. Composed himself impeccably, for the majority of the time, as well as regularly captivating the global football viewing public. But...he was prone to violent outbursts, like Cantona. I don't mean solely the headbutt on that swine Materazzi, I mean other occasions...at least twice for example, I saw him stamp on opponents who were on the ground. Still, a true Great...his 'flaws' like Cantona's 'flaws' to me, were manly flaws.
Perhaps it just falls down to the fact that I hate arrogance. And I respect Masculinity, when it shows itself in the Right manner.
Del Piero...a true great. definitely less talent than the others above, but his professionalism, decency, dedication, fairness, and consistency, mark him out as a legend, to out club, and to italian football in general.
Rooney...he is far closer to being a true great than Ronaldo. because he loves football, more than he loves himself. He has thug in his character. A lot of thug actually, and is physically and mentally geared more towards being a Sissoko or Montero, than an extremely talented forward, capable of creating as well as finishing, from all over the final third...
Yes, I see Juve as a team who have had very few swine in the ranks...but Moggi was hardly an honourable man...And I remember Moller regularly puffing out his chest, with his hands on his hips in a stance of pure nazi defiance...or have I imagined that memory????? Maybe it was a dream.
Yes, generally speaking, we have a decent club. Full of players who comport themselves more honourably than their counterparts at SOME other top clubs.
Manchester United are another one of this ilk, as are Barca, and in the past Milan. They are spoiled by their owner.
My other team, Gillingham, is another team of honourable folks, the manager sets the example for the team, and it shows in the increasing sense of family and togetherness which is flowing through the squad...I was so proud of him last season when a player who had left the club, made some comments about the Gills in the paper, about Stimson (the manager) and Stimson responded, live on TV, by saying something like...
'things like that should be kept behind closed doors. Where I come from, if you have a problem with a man, you say it to his face...its about respect. So rather than play his game, i will instead ask him to pay me a visit, and discuss this in person...'
Again, others may see that as thuggish, but that kind of attitude endears the man to me. As his point was valid...A player he is completely stragith with, smiles like a girl, then runs off, tells the press a different story. I hope Stimson gets him...hohoho!
BUT...i am being subjective. Other people might have hated Montero, though Nedved was less than honest, at times, despite how much we all adore him, and see Trez as a winging wannabe, who has never proven himself at the truest measure of a player, at international level...Its all down to the individual.
I think i agree with you on this.
For example, for me, Zidane is miles more decisive than delp, and his game was almost magical... but del piero, being the proffesional he is.... is miles ahead of zidane in terms of what a football player should be. In that department...there are VERY FEW players like Del Piero.
For example, for me, Zidane is miles more decisive than delp, and his game was almost magical... but del piero, being the proffesional he is.... is miles ahead of zidane in terms of what a football player should be. In that department...there are VERY FEW players like Del Piero.
Its an opinion, of course. Del Piero has always had exquisite talent, but for me, his impact has never been as regular and and heavy as that of the Frenchman. There were simply too many times when he literally performed miracles, the scope and versatility of which, Del Piero has not matched. Our captain is far more predictable, and has never had the physical presence of Cantona.
I am sure that many would dissagree, though at the same time, a large portion of my opponents on this matter, on this forum anyway, are unlikely to have seen as much of Cantona as myself, due to age more than anything.
That is the footballing talent covered...as for the violent streak. I never saw much of his nuisance in france, but I was fortunate enough to be watching the game when he attacked the palace supporter. His foe was soon found to be pure scum, and received a sentence of 7 days prison for threatening and abusive behaviour. He had it coming...a BNP supporter, who had perpertrated other crimes and by every single measure I can muster, was deserving of some rough justice, Cantona style...His ban from football was horrible, the british, and footballing world as a whole were deprived of his class, and towards the end of his illustrious career, he said
'I have a lot of good moments, but the one I prefer is when I kicked the hooligan."
he gave the impression that he only ever attacked people who had it coming...a True Righter of Wrongs, a poet, a writer, an artist and one of my favourite players of all time.
Everyone I know who saw him play in the 90s especially, holds him in impeccable esteem.
He wouldn't have been allowed to play for Juve. We don't employ nutters...unless they are Uruguayan defenders...speaking of which, didnt montero headbutt a journalist, who was taking photos of his kids?????
And Ravanelli...busted his hand after thwarting a Petrol Station Robbery...ahh the memories...
Anyway, the kind of players who come to a club, are more often than not carefully selected not just on ability, but also character and temperament.
I am just as eager to see Diego score a 40 yard wonder goal as I am to see him strangle Matterazzi for faking injury...
I am sure that many would dissagree, though at the same time, a large portion of my opponents on this matter, on this forum anyway, are unlikely to have seen as much of Cantona as myself, due to age more than anything.
That is the footballing talent covered...as for the violent streak. I never saw much of his nuisance in france, but I was fortunate enough to be watching the game when he attacked the palace supporter. His foe was soon found to be pure scum, and received a sentence of 7 days prison for threatening and abusive behaviour. He had it coming...a BNP supporter, who had perpertrated other crimes and by every single measure I can muster, was deserving of some rough justice, Cantona style...His ban from football was horrible, the british, and footballing world as a whole were deprived of his class, and towards the end of his illustrious career, he said
'I have a lot of good moments, but the one I prefer is when I kicked the hooligan."
he gave the impression that he only ever attacked people who had it coming...a True Righter of Wrongs, a poet, a writer, an artist and one of my favourite players of all time.
Everyone I know who saw him play in the 90s especially, holds him in impeccable esteem.
He wouldn't have been allowed to play for Juve. We don't employ nutters...unless they are Uruguayan defenders...speaking of which, didnt montero headbutt a journalist, who was taking photos of his kids?????
And Ravanelli...busted his hand after thwarting a Petrol Station Robbery...ahh the memories...
Anyway, the kind of players who come to a club, are more often than not carefully selected not just on ability, but also character and temperament.
I am just as eager to see Diego score a 40 yard wonder goal as I am to see him strangle Matterazzi for faking injury...