Diego Ribas da Cunha (55 Viewers)

[Oggy]

It started way before that, in some random thread. My initial point was never Modric is better than Diego, it was Modric is a more complete player and more suited for us. Than after being laughed at by people who saw Modric play two times in their lives and me getting irritated all hell broke loose.

Fact is those people who were pro-Diego, expected him or wanted him to be our Kaka. Which he wasn't and never would be. Buying someone like Modric who makes the whole midfield tick was and still is IMO far better than buying a free-scoring trequartista who needs the whole team playing for him to shine. Even in that respect Diego failed, since when we bought him the team was tailor-made for him. Just that it never ticked like it should have. Surely Diego isn't the only one to blame, but people are too blind to see in a very short time we changed our whole approach and game plan to suit him, yet it didn't work.

I remember that you and me and some other member (I can't remember his name) all said that Diego is good player, but not great as people think, and he could easily flop

 

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[Azzurri7]

I still think Diego is twice the player Modric is and can't even be compared to Diego. Modric suits perfectly for a team such as Tottenham. This doesn't mean Modric isn't a quality player but Diego is simply on higher level and easier choice to pick over Modric.


And my god, some people are really obsessed with me here. But it's not a bad thing.

 

[CAPITANO]

Diego was sold against Del Neri's will and he was very pissed about it

 

[V]

I still think Diego is twice the player Modric is and can't even be compared to Diego. Modric suits perfectly for a team such as Tottenham. This doesn't mean Modric isn't a quality player but Diego is simply on higher level and easier choice to pick over Modric.


And my god, some people are really obsessed with me here. But it's not a bad thing.

Yeah and Diego is obviously a player for the Barcelona's and Real Madrid's of this world. None of the big clubs even wanted him...not even for freaking 15m.

 

[Azzurri7]

Yeah and Diego is obviously a player for the Barcelona's and Real Madrid's of this world. None of the big clubs even wanted him...not even for freaking 15m.

If he didn't receive any offers from Barcelona or Real Madrid doesn't mean anything IMO. I don't see why Barcelona would need and would invest on him when they're perfect in every single department, as for Real Madrid I don't think Mourinho is a big fan of him. But still he played for Juventus and before we made him an offer, Bayern also were linked to him and another top team from EPL forgot which side.

But all in all, this doesn't say anything, I'm talking about the players quality. Notice for god knows how many times that I do not underrate Modric at all. I just don't think he's as valuable as Diego.

Why can't we let time prove to us if Modric is worth it and a real investment safe to bet on and if he'll be on top. Why are we rushing? He's still young, he can prove me wrong and I'll admit I'm wrong if he does. But lets wait if he signs for a high level team and see his worth.

Diego was unlucky here. Playing under inexperienced coach that did not know how to deal or work with him. He needed confidence he didn't receive at Turin sadly. Maybe in his 2nd season he would have turned critics opinion upside down. Just like what happened with Pavel before, Zidane, and many other classy players that we had. But what has happened has happened, we shouldn't be crying over him.

 

[Nicholas]

Yeah and Diego is obviously a player for the Barcelona's and Real Madrid's of this world. None of the big clubs even wanted him...not even for freaking 15m.

Nobody wanted Modric either except Tottenham when he was signed from Zagreb.

 

[Ventus]

Nobody wanted Modric either except Tottenham when he was signed from Zagreb.

no one wanted Sneijder when real madrid sold him, except for Inter, and look how that turned out.

Anyway, even football italia have just now relased an article stating how stupid it was to sell him

http://football-italia.net/blogs/si106.html

not to worry guys, who needs Giovinco or Diego when we have a 36 year old Del Piero

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Woah, even Football Italia has published such an article!?! That must mean it's true, no doubts anymore whatsoever!

 

[blondu]

you really can't compare modric with diego imo...diego is a class higher

 

[RAMI-N]

Woah, even Football Italia has published such an article!?! That must mean it's true, no doubts anymore whatsoever!

 

[Hust]

I think we play fine without Diego to be honest. I am tired of reading articles about our transfers, etc etc...its as bad as hearing Moggi speak. It is time to move on, we have a good team, all we need is a striker that scores. We should have bought Dzeko this summer but hopefully Amauri & Co. will be able to produce results with such a new system.

 

[V]

Nobody wanted Modric either except Tottenham when he was signed from Zagreb.

That's not true. Arsenal was just one of the bigger clubs interested as were we. But the problem was Tottenham came with an offer one doesn't refuse and if you know anything about the chairman of Dinamo...you would know how he works. Modric was quite expensive, I dare to say overpriced, for a player from the Croatian league. Tottenham inflated his price instantly.

If he didn't receive any offers from Barcelona or Real Madrid doesn't mean anything IMO. I don't see why Barcelona would need and would invest on him when they're perfect in every single department, as for Real Madrid I don't think Mourinho is a big fan of him. But still he played for Juventus and before we made him an offer, Bayern also were linked to him and another top team from EPL forgot which side.

But all in all, this doesn't say anything, I'm talking about the players quality. Notice for god knows how many times that I do not underrate Modric at all. I just don't think he's as valuable as Diego.

Why can't we let time prove to us if Modric is worth it and a real investment safe to bet on and if he'll be on top. Why are we rushing? He's still young, he can prove me wrong and I'll admit I'm wrong if he does. But lets wait if he signs for a high level team and see his worth.

Diego was unlucky here. Playing under inexperienced coach that did not know how to deal or work with him. He needed confidence he didn't receive at Turin sadly. Maybe in his 2nd season he would have turned critics opinion upside down. Just like what happened with Pavel before, Zidane, and many other classy players that we had. But what has happened has happened, we shouldn't be crying over him.

I can't belive you took Real and Barca literally, it was a sarcastic remark.

At a cut-throat price that is 15m? I can't believe(I'm being sarcastic here) he ended up at Wolfsburg. Fact is, Diego is valued most in Bundesliga, not much anywhere else. And in my honest opinion, theres is only one true big club in Bundesliga. And since he has not ended up there yet...Diego for me is not a big player club.

But if Modric was put on the transfer list today, for 15mil, you can bet your ass there would be a war for him. Ferguson wanted to buy him for 25mil this summer but Redknapp would not sell...it was written in a lot of respected english newspapers. Take that however you want it.


But look, I don't have a problem with you rating Modric as you do, that is your opinion and I can respect it if we're discussing it normally. Who is better is subjective and at the end they're different types of players. Modric can win the CL tommorow with Tottenham and you can still consider Diego a better player. That is fine.

But what stands is the fact Diego didn't work out for us. What could have been is beside the point. People were tipping us to win the CL when we bought him...we failed miserably. And in that respect I was right because I was one of the few who raised concerns whether Diego is suited for us.

 

[Alen]

Nobody wanted Modric either except Tottenham when he was signed from Zagreb.

That's not true, Nick. Luka was 22 and he was the leader and the best player of a very solid Croatian NT that just eliminated England (EURO 2008). In the domestic league he was brilliant and there wasn't a single round where tens of scouts and managers from the biggest European clubs didn't attend Dinamo's matches (mostly to watch Modric). We read about offers from way too many clubs (Probably some were just rumors). There was hardly a club that didn't ask for him, but there wasn't a club who was willing to go above 20m eur for an obviously very talented but still very young and completely unproven player from one of the weaker European leagues. Tottenham did go higher than 20m eur and for a club where even 500k is a lot of money, Tottenham's offer was something they couldn't reject and accept other offers from bigger clubs which were at least 5m eur lower than what the Spurs offered.

Edit: The bare fact that Tottenham offered and paid 21m eur tells you that there was competition from bigger clubs that they had to beat. If not they'd have easily gotten him for 13-15m eur.

 

[Azzurri7]

But what stands is the fact Diego didn't work out for us. What could have been is beside the point. People were tipping us to win the CL when we bought him...we failed miserably. And in that respect I was right because I was one of the few who raised concerns whether Diego is suited for us.

Doesn't this say anything about his quality if people and not only Juve fans tipped us to reach at least Semi's in CL?

True, the man didn't work well with us but then again, who worked well vlatko? Buffon? Trezeguet? Camo? Amauri? Del Piero? No one. They all failed miserably last year. All.

I think it was only fair giving him 2nd chance like Moggi gave Zidane a 2nd chance and like Lippi gave Pavel a 2nd chance. But what the hell, he left and I don't really care much about his performances.

 

[V]

Doesn't this say anything about his quality if people and not only Juve fans tipped us to reach at least Semi's in CL?

True, the man didn't work well with us but then again, who worked well vlatko? Buffon? Trezeguet? Camo? Amauri? Del Piero? No one. They all failed miserably last year. All.

I think it was only fair giving him 2nd chance like Moggi gave Zidane a 2nd chance and like Lippi gave Pavel a 2nd chance. But what the hell, he left and I don't really care much about his performances.

I honestly don't think anyone out of this forum tipped us to be CL contenders. Perhaps we could have been labeled as underdogs...but serious contenders, heck no. Only folks from here were so "optimistic".

None of those players failed. They didn't became club legends instantly, but none of them had such bad first seasons. Not by a long shot. True we had much stronger teams before, but still....in Diego's first season we finished 7th. These things happen of course, I said before, he's surely not the only one to blame, but still...you and lots of others expected too much of him. We went from CL contenders to laughing stock of Serie A. Why? Because of a lot of things and one of them is Diego not being what people expected of him. Would he be in our second season? We'll never know...my money is on we couldn't be any worse, that's for sure.

 

[JuveJay]

Tottenham did go higher than 20m eur and for a club where even 500k is a lot of money, Tottenham's offer was something they couldn't reject and accept other offers from bigger clubs which were at least 5m eur lower than what the Spurs offered.

This doesn't really make sense, if the club were in need of money then surely they would have accepted lower bids, assuming they existed.

 

[Alen]

None of those players failed. They didn't became club legends instantly, but none of them had such bad first seasons. Not by a long shot.

Especially Zidane. He had really tough 3 months in his first season before he exploded and grew up into probably our MVP of the season. He ended 3rd placed in ballon d'or for 2007 and it was for his club performances (it wasn't a WC or Euro year). Actually, Zidane's debut season was one of his best 2 seasons in his 5 year Juve career.
Those who actually followed Juve back then know this.

 

[king Ale]

I was one of those who voted for Diego even though I hadn't seen of either enough to have a valid opinion. However, even at that time my biggest concern was why no big team (apart from us) seemed interested in Diego. Bayern had a tendency to get every Werder player who had a couple of good seasons but they never wanted Diego. V used to say that Diego needs the whole team to be built around him and this is what we saw here later, that he just can't perform when his team doesn't perform. I haven't seen enough of Modric so I can't say if he is any better than Diego but I sure wouldn't have voted for Diego if I had the chance to pick one in that poll again

 

[Alen]

This doesn't really make sense, if the club were in need of money then surely they would have accepted lower bids, assuming they existed.

Dinamo knew that they have a player who will bring them money. They couldn't just accept the first offer that came. And even if they did accept to start negotiations for the first offer, in the meantime many new offers started arriving.

 

[V]

I was one of those who voted for Diego even though I hadn't seen of either enough to have a valid opinion. However, even at that time my biggest concern was why no big team (apart from us) seemed interested in Diego. Bayern had a tendency to get every Werder player who had a couple of good seasons but they never wanted Diego. V used to say that Diego needs the whole team to be built around him and this is what we saw here later, that he just can't perform when his team doesn't perform. I haven't seen enough of Modric so I can't say if he is any better than Diego but I sure wouldn't have voted for Diego if I had the chance to pick one in that poll again

That we'll never know, I'm not saying with Modric we would have won the Scudetto, but it surely wouldn't make us do so many sacrifices as Modric can cover a lot of positions. With him we could have just sticked to our usual 4-4-2 and taken fewer risks. Diego made us do everything from scratch, changing to a 4-3-1-2 with absolutely no width...the plan was to give him freedom and security and he will create chances for himself and others. But to play like that, you need to be out of this world.