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Elvin

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I'm a huge Diego doubter/critic, so take that with a pinch of salt.

I find him immensly overrated and fairly inconsistent. The type of player that shines in one game and fades away in the next 3. About his teammates, well he's not Trezeguet who is completelly dependant on his teammates. He's a player who's put on the pitch to organise it and raise the level of the whole team, the team is built around him.

I just don't like the type of player he is. To be a fantasista, you have to be out of this world. You have to be the player the opponent needs to close down. You need to be that every single game. If he's not, the team loses. And I'm sorry but he doesn't fit the bill in my opinion, he's not Kaka, even though most of you guys feel otherwise. I've watched Werder games lots of times where he was constantly strolling on the pitch, simply "not having his day".

And I don't want that, he doesn't fit even fit our system and in the end we have Giovinco. That money can be better spent elsewhere. But that's just me.
But dude, even Kaka wasn't quite Kaka before he joined Milan.
Diego at Werder is what Kaka was at San Paulo - a promising, young playmaker.
You catch my drift? We can give what Milan gave to Kaka -- the right atmosphere, the right conditions, the right teammates.
 

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Eℓvin;1950639 said:
But dude, even Kaka wasn't quite Kaka before he joined Milan.
Diego at Werder is what Kaka was at San Paulo - a promising, young playmaker.
You catch my drift? We can give what Milan gave to Kaka -- the right atmosphere, the right conditions, the right teammates.
Difference is, Kaka came to a huge club like Milan and amidst the pressure, instantly became a star. It was evident he's gonna shine from game one. Diego is Diego at Sao Paolo, Porto and now Werder. He still hasn't made that step forward in a big club and it's my opinion Werder is the high of his career. I don't see him making it in a big club.
 

tassard

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When the opponent team blocked Kaka during one game, or when he was not in his day there where still Pirlo, Seedorf and the full backs who could create something.

Who do have?Grygera and Molinaro, Camo and Gio.
Camo and Gio can not both fit in a 4-3-1-2 behind Diego.
This, combined with the quality of our full backs would be suicidal.

So 4-2-3-1 would be better, with Giovinco on the left, Camo on the right and Diego as a trequartista.
We still need better defenders though, and of course there is only one spot for 4 attackers.
 

Osman

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Puleezz, say whatever you want (and there are some valid reasons) against him, at the end of the day, he is a quality player I would welcome without any second thoughts.
 

Elvin

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Difference is, Kaka came to a huge club like Milan and amidst the pressure, instantly became a star. It was evident he's gonna shine from game one. Diego is Diego at Sao Paolo, Porto and now Werder. He still hasn't made that step forward in a big club and it's my opinion Werder is the high of his career. I don't see him making it in a big club.
Exactly, we could be that big step for him, we'd be his first truly big club. Of course there is risk in it.
Diego's form, results, even performances are almost exactly identical to Zidane's at Bordeaux, correct me if I'm wrong.
We bet on Zizou, I say let's bet on this guy too.
 

tassard

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Puleezz, say whatever you want (and there are some valid reasons) against him, at the end of the day, he is a quality player I would welcome without any second thoughts.

Of course he is a quality player, I don't deny that...
I just doubt that we can play with a more offensive formation, considering the quality of our defenders.
I think that we will concede MUCH easier than now.
And of course I don't want the team to become Diego-depended and to seem clueless when he is injured, or just in bad form.
 

Rollie

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I cut the quotes up due to length, hopefully I'm not misrepresenting anyone... don't think I am...

Sorry Vlatko, I cut your part up a bit too much... here you were worried about his consistency at top level, and the perils of relying on a single player...

I'm a huge Diego doubter/critic, so take that with a pinch of salt.

He's a player who's put on the pitch to organise it and raise the level of the whole team, the team is built around him.

...he doesn't fit even fit our system and in the end we have Giovinco. That money can be better spent elsewhere. But that's just me.
I get your concern Vlatko. Werder Bremen is built around him, so when he isn't fantastic, their engine often stalls. In our side, IMO he would beautifully combine and compliment a couple of our other highly skilled players... and with the ability to rotate between Gio, ADP, Diego, and Camo (depending on the formation) the service to our target men could be simply devastating. Diego hasn't had the opportunity to work with an Amauri, Trezeguet, or Iaquinta at Bremen; the man can really pick out a target... sublime chips and crosses. One thing that everyone has been bitching about this year - with good reason - is the service for our lads up front. Well with Diego and Gio featuring long term, the potential improvement of DC, and a new quality RB, there could be service a plenty at Juventus.

I really think that our formation has to change regardless of whether Diego comes to Turin or not, given the current dearth of quality wingers on our roster. Camo is fragile (but quality, and versatile when healthy), De Ceglie is still IMO our LB of the future, and I'm not confident in Marchioni, or Sali, to say the least. Seba's not really built to play wide in a 4-4-2.

I agree that the defense is the weakest part of our team. It desperately needs upgrading, especially at RB, which could very well be quite a difficult position to fill (with a top caliber player). Who would be your choice for RB?

Basically, as long as we can afford a top quality RB, and we bring back Criscito, I would really enjoy seeing Diego at Juventus. All of this prognosticating is quite difficult obviously, without knowing our transfer budget, or who is tipped to exit the squad. We certainly have some dead wood floating around...

I am not a fan of 4-3-1-2. I think that teams tend to be very predictable because almost all the play goes through the trequartista. This means that if the opposition stop him or if he has an off day, the team has a big problem.


I won't complain if we sign Diego, though, and I won't criticise the management for doing it, but I do have my reservations about it.
We'd have fantastic options for a few formations, with ADP, Gio, Camo, and Diego; if we were playing with a treq who's having a bad game, off he goes - Plenty of competition. If we didn't want to operate in that system, as mentioned in other posts above, we could also play a 4-3-2-1, or a 4-2-3-1... I think the strength of our DM's certainly makes the 4-2-3-1 a potentially great option.

Puleezz, say whatever you want (and there are some valid reasons) against him, at the end of the day, he is a quality player I would welcome without any second thoughts.
Totally on board with this Osman. Del Piero has probably 1 more productive year in him, Camo is hard to gauge due to his injury ravaged past couple of years. Who knows what we'll be able to get out of him, and for how long? No one knows what transfer options will be available to us next year.

I am of the opinion that if this team has an opportunity to make a big play for the long term, we should do it. With Nedved finishing up, and our team finally emerging from the shadows of Calciopoli, I think now is a great time to move for a big name attacking mid. The man has fantastic technical ability, and I think he's totally suited to Serie A. He also wants to come here! As I mentioned in a previous post, this helps serve notice and remind fans and players around the world, that Juventus is a top class destination.

To keep the love going, here's another fairly irrelevant Diego clip that many of you have probably seen before...haha. While these clips are often a major reason why certain players become overrated, I just couldn't resist. Too much skill here not to enjoy.

 

BIG DADDY!!!

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Good vid though it looks like they give him way to much space in the bundislega.

Dont think he would get that in Serie A

Though I liked the we Samba dance he did near the end of the clip, I could picture him and amauri doing them together next season :D
 

Hust

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I can't wait until we have a midfielder than can score goals again...sorry but that is so important to have the support, even when our strikers aren't on form we would have a guy that can not only give great service but score goals too. I'd like to see a video comp of Diego assisting goals....
 
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Eℓvin;1950660 said:
Exactly, we could be that big step for him, we'd be his first truly big club. Of course there is risk in it.
Diego's form, results, even performances are almost exactly identical to Zidane's at Bordeaux, correct me if I'm wrong.
We bet on Zizou, I say let's bet on this guy too.
Part aside I recommended Diego few years ago while he was just a hot shot youngster in Santos along with Robinho.....

I remember a game,a qualify in particular Werder Bremen against Dinamo Zagreb.....Modric outplayed him in first match then,buying himself a ticket for world stage. And then our coach,Branko Ivankovic made a stupidest error that man can make in his life....he declared Modric to be superior playmaker to Diego. When I red that in sports newspapers,I saw a black hole for Dinamo in next match :D Diego raped us in the arse without vaseline in 2nd match,he dictated the game as not so many playmakers could today,but his attitude against stupid statements of managers made me respect him even more. And Italy is full of that kind of statements :D
 
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    I also had doubts about him because of the Porto days and his play with the NT but you can clearly see he's got class and can make the difference.
     
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