Defensive problem!! (6 Viewers)

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,684
Well the management should start to invest in the defense . They need to at the very least bring back Criscito and sign a RB. If they do that, I'll be satisfied. Then they can focus on the midfield and sign a creative CM or RM...one or the other will be enough. And that's it...I'd be very satisfied with that. Diego is a waste as Amauri because we don't need anyone for that position.
 

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Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
well at the beginning of the season our defence was airtight, but we could not creat anything upfront...how many times did Amauri save our ass with a precious goal? I totally agree that we need to strengthen the defence...the recall of Criscito and the signing of a better RB would definitely be great...

a major factor for our leaky defence that people tend to ignore is the exhaustion factor...Juve played something like FIFTEEN pre-season friendlies...that has definitely affected our defenders, who have been playing a lot more consistently than most of the team
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,684
Amauri “saved” us because Ranieri fielded him over Iaquinta otherwise it would have been Iaquinta saving us like right now. The point is I’d rather have the money than a really good 4th striker when our backline needs so much work.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
dude c'mon, how can you knock Amauri's performances? the guy has been sensational for the most part...his work-rate and commitment have been stunning...and a 4th striker is being discussed 'cos unfortunately it seems like David might be on his way out, otherwise Juve would be crazy to sign another forward...
 

dogsarecute

Senior Member
Aug 7, 2008
525
We would still have spare money, but this is talking about a management who has in the defensive department, signed:

Salihamidzic on free
Mellberg on free
Molinaro for cheap
PDC for cheap
Knez on loan
Grygera on free
Cannavaro on free

A solid squad should be built on solid defence, our management broke that rule.


They don't want to invest in defense, they'd rather wow us with Diego.
You forgot about Andrade and Criscito.
The thing is that we lost the whole backline and centre midfield and had no capable substitutes so we cannot spend all the money on one position. Thus we get solid players like the ones above and wait for the right moment to bid for world-class defenders.
 

Fellas

Farsopoli
Jun 13, 2005
3,136
-Absolutely, but i believe that our board has signed a has been, to use his prestigious name as an eye candy, instead of making a real and needed investment in our defense...
On theory, the return of Criscito is also a potential top quality CB, as the one you described, if we dont use him as a LB, instead. But the coming of Canna will undermine the very low chances to play there. If he had low chance to be fielded instead of Legro or Mellberg, now with Canna being in fron of him in the pecking order, his chances are zero!!

-If you mean like a starter, you are absolutely wrong, that would be a fatal mistake and a crime to our cause. Moli did improved his teamwork effectiveness, by syncing his runs and the stamina he always had. But his basic footballistic skills (control, dribble, tackle, shoot, cross, header etc etc)
did not improve and will never improve in the Juve material level.
He is only good for a back solution, he is very limited to be considered for a starter position now or at any time in the future.
It is a waste of time and space for a club that Juve to waste time with such players.
He is supposed to try hard, because trying hard is the only thing such an untalented player like Moli can offer in this team. Thats the least he can do to earn the salary he gains...

Having said that, i wouldnt mind him for a subber role, at least as long as we cant afford a decent sub for that position. Our priority is to race the quality of our starters and thats why, Moli should be replaced from our starting eleven asap.
Having secured a proper starter, then we must start worrying for our subs.
And if then, we have the option to have a more promising player than Moli, then we should offload Moli.
IMO We should try Criscito as a starter, but properly, not like we did with DC.
We should give him the chance to prove his self and field him regularly, at least against the lesser teams!
And then we should decided what we will do with DC, DC has the potential to become a far better player than Moli. But we have decide first, how are we going to use, as LM or LB? Then we should start fielding him, properly in the matches we can afford do that and then make a final judgement, as to whom we are going to keep. In case those two youngsters flop, we should keep Moli, just to be sure that we wont have any urgent need for LB replacements.
And then, we either off load Moli, or the the one of the youngsters who flopped.
This way we may discover an upgrade within our team and with minimal risks!

-RB should have been our main priority. We should sell Zebina asap and replace him with a starter, turning the very limited Grygera into a sub!

100% agree :tup: :agree: rep+
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,684
dude c'mon, how can you knock Amauri's performances? the guy has been sensational for the most part...his work-rate and commitment have been stunning...and a 4th striker is being discussed 'cos unfortunately it seems like David might be on his way out, otherwise Juve would be crazy to sign another forward...

Don't get me wrong bro, I don't really think he's a flop. I think he's a waste of money. We needed to spend elsewhere.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
We are going to waste some money on CMs and forwards for the third consecutive year and still no defensive replacements...

We are bound to repeat the same mistakes again and again and again...
Just like i ve pointed out, it was no CR's fault, that we did not authorized a greater % of our transfer budget to our defense, but our boards...

Considering that nothing have changed there and the new young coach will also be a pawn, who will obey willingly to their orders, no matter what, we know what to expect for the 2009-2010, o well there is always next year...
 

Showdown25

Dag-nabit!
Apr 17, 2009
1,890
Hopefully we're just holding out until we decide who the coach will be for the coming season before we get some defenders, or even a defender.

I'm trying to be optimistic.:bianconero:
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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We are going to waste some money on CMs and forwards for the third consecutive year and still no defensive replacements...

We are bound to repeat the same mistakes again and again and again...
Just like i ve pointed out, it was no CR's fault, that we did not authorized a greater % of our transfer budget to our defense, but our boards...

Considering that nothing have changed there and the new young coach will also be a pawn, who will obey willingly to their orders, no matter what, we know what to expect for the 2009-2010, o well there is always next year...
:rolleyes: the off-season has just started and you have already decided Juve's fate? NICE!
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
I was optimistic last year too, we have signed Mellberg 6 months before the summer transfer window and i was expecting some decent defensive replacement, until the very end of it.
It was painfully obvious that Molinaro and Grygera are not good enough to be starters in a competitive team.

I knew that CR wont give a chance to DC and that Zebina will not be available, like always.
But we have set a dribbler as our highest priority, despite the fact that we had the best scorers in the league and then and just another average CM...

I see the some pattern being followed once again, we have signed an expensive dribbler Diego, to replace Neddy,
we might sign one more forward if we sell Treze too(Pandev/Cassano) and one more average CM (Dagostino).
Our new Mellberg is Canna, another free defender to solve all our defensive issues and we might end up with Molinaro, Grygera and Legro as starters again... And thats about it, with our transfer funds...

What defensive problem??


And i remember Ahmed saying the same excuses when i called Mellberg a bad transfer, for the above reasons. History have already proved me true... unfortunately.
But it was just a logical assumption, based on our transfer policy!

Hopefully, this time the sale of Mellberg and Zebina will make the difference!!
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Because they need more tickets!
And the fans are not attracted by a solid defense. They are attracted by empty promises, flicks and tricks. I can bet that most of our members here would be more excited by the acquisition of a new CM, that could replace Marchisio or Camo from our first eleven, rather than a new RB, that would replace Grygera...

Who would buy Eboue's/Felipe's shirt, when you can buy Dagostino's or Quaq's...
 
Apr 19, 2007
3,959
Because they need more tickets!
And the fans are not attracted by a solid defense. They are attracted by empty promises, flicks and tricks. I can bet that most of our members here would be more excited by the acquisition of a new CM, that could replace Marchisio or Camo from our first eleven, rather than a new RB, that would replace Grygera...

Who would buy Eboue's/Felipe's shirt, when you can buy Dagostino's or Quaq's...
I would...I have a Thuram, Zambrotta and Chiellini shirt. I love defenses that make teams who attack look like confused puppies when they cant do anything
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
sadly cronios is spot on.

But this season... i think that our defense was obvously esposed.. more than ever... so i hope the board willo take drastical measures. The diego investment maybe will prove enough for now.. and who knows maybe dagontion will help... but the defenders must be bought forecefullly....

Criscito and one of 2 free old dudes will not be enoug.
 
Sep 1, 2002
12,745
sadly cronios is spot on.

But this season... i think that our defense was obvously esposed.. more than ever... so i hope the board willo take drastical measures. The diego investment maybe will prove enough for now.. and who knows maybe dagontion will help... but the defenders must be bought forecefullly....

Criscito and one of 2 free old dudes will not be enoug.
don't knock the old dudes, they are our best players.
 

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