Defensive problem!! (6 Viewers)

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
It is now time to see some investments aiming the major problem of our team.
After Diego, i hope the next sum we are going to spend are on our defense!!
We havent bought anyone since Andrade.
Youngsters and free players have filled our sub roles, it is time to see some proper enhancements!!!
 

cunninlynguists

Amsterdam Ambassador
May 7, 2006
3,249
It is now time to see some investments aiming the major problem of our team.
After Diego, i hope the next sum we are going to spend are on our defense!!
We havent bought anyone since Andrade.
Youngsters and free players have filled our sub roles, it is time to see some proper enhancements!!!
Actually we did, Knezevic and Mellberg
 

noussa

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2008
751
ths is what i think:

1. Buy 1 or 2 a young talented CB and let cannavaro enjoy his season, so the other young defender can learn how a defend from a World class player. well with the note give them opportunity to play too alongside canna

2. Keep Molinaro, i thing he improve himself...he always wanna do the best for the team, i think we must respect that.

3. Put Grygera on the bench and buy a new RB....stronh player in attack and defends. i think some Brazilian RB are fit for that, like maicon did for inter
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
ths is what i think:

1. Buy 1 or 2 a young talented CB and let cannavaro enjoy his season, so the other young defender can learn how a defend from a World class player. well with the note give them opportunity to play too alongside canna

2. Keep Molinaro, i thing he improve himself...he always wanna do the best for the team, i think we must respect that.

3. Put Grygera on the bench and buy a new RB....stronh player in attack and defends. i think some Brazilian RB are fit for that, like maicon did for inter
-Absolutely, but i believe that our board has signed a has been, to use his prestigious name as an eye candy, instead of making a real and needed investment in our defense...
On theory, the return of Criscito is also a potential top quality CB, as the one you described, if we dont use him as a LB, instead. But the coming of Canna will undermine the very low chances to play there. If he had low chance to be fielded instead of Legro or Mellberg, now with Canna being in fron of him in the pecking order, his chances are zero!!

-If you mean like a starter, you are absolutely wrong, that would be a fatal mistake and a crime to our cause. Moli did improved his teamwork effectiveness, by syncing his runs and the stamina he always had. But his basic footballistic skills (control, dribble, tackle, shoot, cross, header etc etc)
did not improve and will never improve in the Juve material level.
He is only good for a back solution, he is very limited to be considered for a starter position now or at any time in the future.
It is a waste of time and space for a club that Juve to waste time with such players.
He is supposed to try hard, because trying hard is the only thing such an untalented player like Moli can offer in this team. Thats the least he can do to earn the salary he gains...

Having said that, i wouldnt mind him for a subber role, at least as long as we cant afford a decent sub for that position. Our priority is to race the quality of our starters and thats why, Moli should be replaced from our starting eleven asap.
Having secured a proper starter, then we must start worrying for our subs.
And if then, we have the option to have a more promising player than Moli, then we should offload Moli.
IMO We should try Criscito as a starter, but properly, not like we did with DC.
We should give him the chance to prove his self and field him regularly, at least against the lesser teams!
And then we should decided what we will do with DC, DC has the potential to become a far better player than Moli. But we have decide first, how are we going to use, as LM or LB? Then we should start fielding him, properly in the matches we can afford do that and then make a final judgement, as to whom we are going to keep. In case those two youngsters flop, we should keep Moli, just to be sure that we wont have any urgent need for LB replacements.
And then, we either off load Moli, or the the one of the youngsters who flopped.
This way we may discover an upgrade within our team and with minimal risks!

-RB should have been our main priority. We should sell Zebina asap and replace him with a starter, turning the very limited Grygera into a sub!
 
Dec 31, 2008
22,910
DC shud be loaned for 1 year to middle table team in serie a. Let him get some experience and then come back.The one positive thing i see with cannavaro's signing is Ariaudo can learn under him
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,174
This whole learn from Cannavaro is gettng old and boring. Have you seen other teams adopt this philosophy, or have you seen it being utilized in other sports?

It's like Costacurta or Maldini saying I will stay on, so Thiago Silva can learn from me. It's absolute nonsense; They can have Canna as a coach, but how will they possibly implement anything they learn if Canna will be starting a majority of the games? It's like telling Patrick Ewing to start playing games for the Magic so Howard can develop a jump shot or improve his post moves in the NBA.
 

Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
5,775
I don't want the youngsters to learn from Cannavaro either.

When the going gets tough, they'll abandon the club, seeking European glory. :D
 

Diego Ribas

Junior Member
Nov 18, 2008
223
A this squad we play with Atalanta.

Grygera - Mellberg - Legrottaglie - De Ceglie

Look for this line of defense... :lol:


It is both terrifying and funny... :shifty:
Well, that since the new season of at least 3 of 4 of these defenders went on the bench, and take their place Chiellini, Cannavaro and Criscito. :tup:
I hope I have the right to defense, best Eboue, Motta or Rafinha.
 

Jasp

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2009
1,041
It seems they have shown interest for Lahm.

XXXX - Canna -Chiellieni - Lahm

This with criscito, mellberg and Leggro as backup. Maybe with DC instead of mellberg. If they could solve the RB in some slick way with some trades and since Lahm is only 25 then we would have a defense for years to come, since criscito could go directly in for canna, and if not we have time to secure somebody else in 1 or two years. Further more we'd have some decent depth in the next season.

But is there any xxx that could fill the gap which we can afford and still sign Lahm?
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
This whole learn from Cannavaro is gettng old and boring. Have you seen other teams adopt this philosophy, or have you seen it being utilized in other sports?

It's like Costacurta or Maldini saying I will stay on, so Thiago Silva can learn from me. It's absolute nonsense; They can have Canna as a coach, but how will they possibly implement anything they learn if Canna will be starting a majority of the games? It's like telling Patrick Ewing to start playing games for the Magic so Howard can develop a jump shot or improve his post moves in the NBA.
it has always been a bullshit argument IMO
 

Jasp

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2009
1,041
But that does not mean that Canna cant be a cheap an useful addition for one or two years. I mean wed rather spend money on the wings than cbs. But in order to be real competitive the only player we can use for a long time is Chiellini...
 

Jasp

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2009
1,041
I agree - but saying that he couldn't go right in the team in front of leggro is also lame plus all the time that leggro and chiell haven't been partnered the results have been catastrophic. Having cheap quality and depth there simply just cant be wrong.
 

HAZEM

L'architetto
Apr 22, 2008
8,219
This whole learn from Cannavaro is gettng old and boring. Have you seen other teams adopt this philosophy, or have you seen it being utilized in other sports?

It's like Costacurta or Maldini saying I will stay on, so Thiago Silva can learn from me. It's absolute nonsense; They can have Canna as a coach, but how will they possibly implement anything they learn if Canna will be starting a majority of the games? It's like telling Patrick Ewing to start playing games for the Magic so Howard can develop a jump shot or improve his post moves in the NBA.
+rep
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,684
We would still have spare money, but this is talking about a management who has in the defensive department, signed:

Salihamidzic on free
Mellberg on free
Molinaro for cheap
PDC for cheap
Knez on loan
Grygera on free
Cannavaro on free

A solid squad should be built on solid defence, our management broke that rule.


They don't want to invest in defense, they'd rather wow us with Diego.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
solid does not = expensive

a good backline needs time to develop, it can't happen overnight...how much did a DF of Zambro - Ferrara - Montero - Pessotto cost? not very much would be my guess...
 

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