De-Crappify Your Computer (2 Viewers)

Ramin

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My recent Laptop that I got came with Norton Internet Security 2005. I dont see anything wrong with, and it doesnt slow down the computer or anything. However, the licence for it recently got expired, which meant I had to pay to renew it. So i decided to download the 2006 version of the same software, but now I'm not sure about installing it..
 

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@ jarl of europe; the best anti-virus solution is NOD32. been using it at work and home for over 3 years, and it's great. the only windows software i will ALWAYS pay for.

@ ramin, trust me it slows down the pc. you say you got the laptop with norton already installed? that explains everything, try making a fresh windows install and see the difference. or better yet install linux. :toast:
 

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Jeeks, can you tell me what you think is the best antivirus-software available? (freeware)

I have Norton Antivirus + Norton Internet Security installed and it's bugging the living hell out of me too :(

Uninstall all that crap and get Avast. Its amazing, ur pc runs much faster and safer
 
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    Uninstall all that crap and get Avast. Its amazing, ur pc runs much faster and safer
    Funny how every time I read a post like this now, I just think "Linux" :p
     
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    To be fair, I've never been an M$ fanboy, or on "their side". I'd always known that Windows wasn't the greatest, and I had plenty (PLENTY) of gripes with it, but I just couldn't be bothered making the switch because I'd been comfortably using Windows for all but the first 5 years of my life, and I couldn't be bothered learning new things.

    I didn't know enough about Linux to be convinced that it'd be worth the bother, but after one too many "why the hell is my computer dying when I manage everything perfectly and run virus/adware scanners at least every 12 hours?!" moments, I figured, "what's the worst that could happen?"
     

    Martin

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    Not a fanboy, but a user all the same.

    Believe me, you'll have plenty of issues with linux too, everyone does. The difference is that it's a lot easier to find out what is happening and why. And there's a lot more you can do about it, short of crossing your fingers and re-installing. After using linux for years, it really bugs me when I'm back on windows and I have to click through a million idiotic wizards to install programs. It don't have to be that way.
     
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    Ergh... don't even get me started on wizards...

    I don't remember where I read it, but sometime in the last couple of days I saw the option "or if you don't like wizards" and I couldn't help but crack a smile at the thinly veiled potshot at Windows :D

    And you're too right about "crossing your fingers and reinstalling", because that was pretty much the only 'solution' 99% of the time
     

    Martin

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    To give you a real world example, I spent 3 hours last night hunting down a solution to my problem of no sound from my microphone. Turns out it was an easy fix, but took me a long time to find it. The prollem with Windows is that everything is covered with plastic. Even when it boots all you see is that annoying logo that we've seen way too many times and you've no idea what's really going on. System internals are never ever exposed, it actually takes special software to poke under the hood. That's very annoying.

    In contrast, when linux boots you see ton of kernel message. You may not enjoy seeing them or need to see them (easy enough to put a logo in their place), but if you get a kernel panic ie. blue screen of death, you can actually see what the kernel said and where exactly it blew up. Same thing with services not starting, same thing with X which keeps its own log, everything is there for you if you need it.
     
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    Have you ever tried the "step by step confirmation" option in the Windows boot options? I personally never encountered a situation where it was useful/required, but would you happen to know how much of the 'under-the-hood' activity that thing discloses?
     

    Martin

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    gray said:
    Have you ever tried the "step by step confirmation" option in the Windows boot options? I personally never encountered a situation where it was useful/required, but would you happen to know how much of the 'under-the-hood' activity that thing discloses?
    Oh I have. And it goes a little something like this. Load X (y/n)? Load Y (y/n)? And unless you know Windows internals you have no f clue what X or Y actually do. Not to mention there are like 50 of them, so you're sitting there mindlessly pushing buttons for half an hour. So the best you can do is disable them all and now you have a system that is reduced to a state where it does nothing at all.

    There is a similar thing in init on linux, called interactive boot. Right after the kernel loads you can turn that on and it will ask you whether to start each service one by one. Incredibly pointless.
     

    Martin

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    Btw one of the best kept linux secrets... pass "init 1" to the kernel options and it boots into runlevel 1, single user mode, no services started, essentially "safe mode". Also known as "I forgot my root password mode" and "I f up my whole system and I need to fix it mode".
     
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    haha thanks, I'll keep that in mind next time I f up my whole system :scared:
     

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    Oh I have. And it goes a little something like this. Load X (y/n)? Load Y (y/n)? And unless you know Windows internals you have no f clue what X or Y actually do. Not to mention there are like 50 of them, so you're sitting there mindlessly pushing buttons for half an hour. So the best you can do is disable them all and now you have a system that is reduced to a state where it does nothing at all.

    There is a similar thing in init on linux, called interactive boot. Right after the kernel loads you can turn that on and it will ask you whether to start each service one by one. Incredibly pointless.
    There was a game, I can't remember which, that recuired this step by step confirmation where you answer Y to all questions but one. I don't know if it was worth it but I used to do it. And the worst thing is that if you're done playing the game, you have to reboot and not go through that hassle.

    Martin said:
    Btw one of the best kept linux secrets... pass "init 1" to the kernel options and it boots into runlevel 1, single user mode, no services started, essentially "safe mode". Also known as "I forgot my root password mode" and "I f up my whole system and I need to fix it mode".
    What is that? How to do it? Man my first gentoo crash had something to do with init 1, don't tell me it could have been fixed without going to kororaa, kororaa, mandriva :yuck: and now kubuntu
     

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    What is that? How to do it? Man my first gentoo crash had something to do with init 1, don't tell me it could have been fixed without going to kororaa, kororaa, mandriva :yuck: and now kubuntu
    When you hear 'init' I want you to think 'Luke, I am your father'. In linux, every process has a parent process. And the parent of all processes, is init (hence, in fact, the name :smile:). init is the first thing that starts after the kernel is loaded.

    I don't know what the problem was in your case, but if you want to test drive runlevel 1, type 'init 1' in a root terminal. This will drop you into single user mode and stop all services (kill X of course). To go back to your normal desktop, use 'init 5'. 'init 0' is poweroff and 'init 6' is reboot.
     

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    Yes, that was what happened, kernel loads then everything stops with several init attempts and there was no way I could do anything.
     

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