It is childish, no one hates any player that plays for Juventus. Hell, I wouldn't even hate my worst enemy if he played for Juventus.
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Depends on what it amounts to. If it produces goals, yes. If it amounts to nothing, it's not worth much more than nothing at all.
Seriously, what is this notion that people should be congratulated on doing "a lot of stuff" that produces no end result? Is this some misguided faith people have that some day it will pay off? What about in the meantime?
Goals win matches, how is that not obvious? Therefore strikers who score are 100 times more valuable than those who don't. Guess who'll be in the record books, Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Not Amauri.
Seriously, what is this notion that people should be congratulated on doing "a lot of stuff" that produces no end result? Is this some misguided faith people have that some day it will pay off? What about in the meantime?
Goals win matches, how is that not obvious? Therefore strikers who score are 100 times more valuable than those who don't. Guess who'll be in the record books, Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Not Amauri.
What is this talk about the goal being luck? Luck? Grosso gave the freekick, Chiellini rose the highest and gave the assist for Trez.
Not the best or sexiest goal but no luck in there. Luck is friggin Emerson reaction to Werder Bremen gk scramble when there is 2 minutes left to play.
Goal is here, with Trez interview:
Not the best or sexiest goal but no luck in there. Luck is friggin Emerson reaction to Werder Bremen gk scramble when there is 2 minutes left to play.
Goal is here, with Trez interview:
I totally disagree with that. With your logic, Strikers are more important than Midfielders, and defenders, and Goalkeepers are the worst ever players, they only concede goals?
No I don't look at it that way, I see what players did for the team, how did they help the team offensively and defensively. Iaquinta other than scoring goals helps the team defensively by piling pressure on opponent's defenders to win balls is something I rate high. Del Piero making assists, organizing attacks is something I rate high other than scoring goals, Trezeguet scoring the last part of the huge work is all that matters for you?
No I don't look at it that way, I see what players did for the team, how did they help the team offensively and defensively. Iaquinta other than scoring goals helps the team defensively by piling pressure on opponent's defenders to win balls is something I rate high. Del Piero making assists, organizing attacks is something I rate high other than scoring goals, Trezeguet scoring the last part of the huge work is all that matters for you?
Strikers are those who are meant to score goals. So they are judged by their goalscoring (or goal creating) ability. Midfielders are supposed to create goals and do other things like keep possession. They are judged on that. Defenders are supposed to hold the fort. They are judged on that.
So if you're asking me "would you be so radical as to judge a defender on a single mistake he made during the match, the same way you judge a striker on a single goal he scored", the answer is yes. Except defenders have more of those crucial moments in a match than do strikers. A striker gets maybe 5 chances per match. If he doesn't take one of them, he's not doing his job. Not every single match, of course, but on a fairly regular basis.
Assists count, I already said that. Anything counts that contributes directly to a goal being scored by whomever. But "pressing" or "possession" for its own sake is not something you deserve a medal for, not when you're a striker.
So if you're asking me "would you be so radical as to judge a defender on a single mistake he made during the match, the same way you judge a striker on a single goal he scored", the answer is yes. Except defenders have more of those crucial moments in a match than do strikers. A striker gets maybe 5 chances per match. If he doesn't take one of them, he's not doing his job. Not every single match, of course, but on a fairly regular basis.
Assists count, I already said that. Anything counts that contributes directly to a goal being scored by whomever. But "pressing" or "possession" for its own sake is not something you deserve a medal for, not when you're a striker.
Defenders score too Martin, along with midfielders. and vise verse, attackers also help the defense, just like we saw Crespo a lot helping his defense. Football is not that simple, defenders to defend and attackers to attack only.
I prefer Iaquinta over Trezeguet , because Iaquinta does his job everywhere, he scores, creates, defends, for this reason I rate him higher that Trezeguet. Sure he has to score also. But scoring is not everything like I said. For example, when Trezeguet is off form, the team play like 10 players, which makes the team much weaker, for this exact reason I prefer Amauri over him, because Amauri helps the midfield too unlike Trezeguet. If it was up to me I would bench both and play Iaquinta and Del Piero up front.
We saw when Trezeguet played that full match, he wasted loads of chacnes, and we were like playing with 10 men, how about that? If Trezeguet goes back to his old form, and starts scoring loads of goals, I wouldn't mind of having him play. But, he is not in that form yet, I would play him in small games, but would not risk in a big match like Bayern's. Yes I know he scored two (lucky) goals, which the rate statistically makes him one of the best striker in the world at the moment, when you and I know that he isn't al that right now.
I prefer Iaquinta over Trezeguet , because Iaquinta does his job everywhere, he scores, creates, defends, for this reason I rate him higher that Trezeguet. Sure he has to score also. But scoring is not everything like I said. For example, when Trezeguet is off form, the team play like 10 players, which makes the team much weaker, for this exact reason I prefer Amauri over him, because Amauri helps the midfield too unlike Trezeguet. If it was up to me I would bench both and play Iaquinta and Del Piero up front.
We saw when Trezeguet played that full match, he wasted loads of chacnes, and we were like playing with 10 men, how about that? If Trezeguet goes back to his old form, and starts scoring loads of goals, I wouldn't mind of having him play. But, he is not in that form yet, I would play him in small games, but would not risk in a big match like Bayern's. Yes I know he scored two (lucky) goals, which the rate statistically makes him one of the best striker in the world at the moment, when you and I know that he isn't al that right now.
So first we had to endure everyone saying Trez is finished and he'd never score goals again. Elvin even bet his house that he wouldn't score more than 3 (he's halfway there already). Now that he has begun doing that, he's just not playing well at all. I suppose once his form improves from the match practice and his confidence from the goals, he still won't be anywhere near some people's standards for a whole host of brand new reasons.
And of course there is no agenda whatsoever behind this is there. Oh, except for calling out for him to be sold, haven't seen those posts this week. And these people have nothing but love for Trez, that much they reiterate. Right.
A new and completely unproven player would get less of a beating than Trez does right now. And yet it doesn't change the fact that he's the top scoring active striker in Serie A history on goals-per-game. And you're talking about playing in 10. Yes, well you know what, I have nothing against that when the 11th one is of the scoring caliber that Trez is. I gladly sacrifice some of that running around you like so much for some extra scoring. And so does Trez, which is why all his life he's focused all his attention on this activity. So that you can say one of the top strikers in Juve history (and Serie A history) just isn't really cutting it.
And do you know what? If I had the choice to be Trez or Amauri, do you know whom I'd pick? Trez.
And of course there is no agenda whatsoever behind this is there. Oh, except for calling out for him to be sold, haven't seen those posts this week. And these people have nothing but love for Trez, that much they reiterate. Right.
A new and completely unproven player would get less of a beating than Trez does right now. And yet it doesn't change the fact that he's the top scoring active striker in Serie A history on goals-per-game. And you're talking about playing in 10. Yes, well you know what, I have nothing against that when the 11th one is of the scoring caliber that Trez is. I gladly sacrifice some of that running around you like so much for some extra scoring. And so does Trez, which is why all his life he's focused all his attention on this activity. So that you can say one of the top strikers in Juve history (and Serie A history) just isn't really cutting it.
And do you know what? If I had the choice to be Trez or Amauri, do you know whom I'd pick? Trez.
