David Trezeguet (40 Viewers)

[.zero]

Zaf, you have to keep in mind that we may have beat madrid twice but are they really the madrid of days past? can you honestly tell me that madrid is as venomous and dangerous this year as we've all known them to be?

i know that we are riddled with injuries but you must also understand that we needed to score and thats the bottom line. unless you are implying that we didn't need to score???? i know you're a smart guy as i've read your posts for a long time now, so let me ask you this:

knowing that we needed to score to remain in contention, by subbing david, did it increase or decrease our chances for scoring? on top of that ranieri got what he wanted by playing "safe" and yet still we conceded. now a coach is supposed to put his team in the best position to succeed, how did ranieri do such a thing? did he not realize that there is no 3rd leg to this matchup, its win or go home? did he not realize that we needed a goal? other players like del piero were working their asses off to keep the dream alive but in ranieri's stubbornness he killed any chance we had and on top of that chelsea scored again to add insult to injury. i don't understand how that is not bad coaching?

also please keep in mind that the Serie A is a weak league. there is a reason all the italian sides are knocked out. i've stated this numerous times in the Serie A thread. its not that hard to stay afloat in italy. to give someone credit for walking on both feet is no real accomplishment.

you are right, we could have beat chelsea, but our coach didn't allow our players to do so and in the end his own decision put the bullet in our CL dream this year. now all we have to look forward to is maintaining 2nd place for next years CL bid and the summer market.

 

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[icemaη]

Zaf, you have to keep in mind that we may have beat madrid twice but are they really the madrid of days past? can you honestly tell me that madrid is as venomous and dangerous this year as we've all known them to be?

i know that we are riddled with injuries but you must also understand that we needed to score and thats the bottom line. unless you are implying that we didn't need to score???? i know you're a smart guy as i've read your posts for a long time now, so let me ask you this:

knowing that we needed to score to remain in contention, by subbing david, did it increase or decrease our chances for scoring? on top of that ranieri got what he wanted by playing "safe" and yet still we conceded. now a coach is supposed to put his team in the best position to succeed, how did ranieri do such a thing? did he not realize that there is no 3rd leg to this matchup, its win or go home? did he not realize that we needed a goal? other players like del piero were working their asses off to keep the dream alive but in ranieri's stubbornness he killed any chance we had and on top of that chelsea scored again to add insult to injury. i don't understand how that is not bad coaching?

also please keep in mind that the Serie A is a weak league. there is a reason all the italian sides are knocked out. i've stated this numerous times in the Serie A thread. its not that hard to stay afloat in italy. to give someone credit for walking on both feet is no real accomplishment.

you are right, we could have beat chelsea, but our coach didn't allow our players to do so and in the end his own decision put the bullet in our CL dream this year. now all we have to look forward to is maintaining 2nd place for next years CL bid and the summer market.

I agree with you that Serie A isn't the strongest league... but then shouldn't Ancelotti, Spaletti, Prandelli and the lot be doing better with their teams? Milan have a bigger and better squad than ours... Yet they are struggling in all competitions they are playing in... Ranieri has done a commentable job... and I for one think he got everything right in the second leg vs Chelsea...

 

[Bozi]

dru- at the end of the day no matter if he was raging with the coach, these things should stay in the locker room always

 

[ZAF3000]

Zaf, you have to keep in mind that we may have beat madrid twice but are they really the madrid of days past? can you honestly tell me that madrid is as venomous and dangerous this year as we've all known them to be?

i know that we are riddled with injuries but you must also understand that we needed to score and thats the bottom line. unless you are implying that we didn't need to score???? i know you're a smart guy as i've read your posts for a long time now, so let me ask you this:

knowing that we needed to score to remain in contention, by subbing david, did it increase or decrease our chances for scoring? on top of that ranieri got what he wanted by playing "safe" and yet still we conceded. now a coach is supposed to put his team in the best position to succeed, how did ranieri do such a thing? did he not realize that there is no 3rd leg to this matchup, its win or go home? did he not realize that we needed a goal? other players like del piero were working their asses off to keep the dream alive but in ranieri's stubbornness he killed any chance we had and on top of that chelsea scored again to add insult to injury. i don't understand how that is not bad coaching?

also please keep in mind that the Serie A is a weak league. there is a reason all the italian sides are knocked out. i've stated this numerous times in the Serie A thread. its not that hard to stay afloat in italy. to give someone credit for walking on both feet is no real accomplishment.

you are right, we could have beat chelsea, but our coach didn't allow our players to do so and in the end his own decision put the bullet in our CL dream this year. now all we have to look forward to is maintaining 2nd place for next years CL bid and the summer market.

Our changes of scoring with Trezeguet on the field was lower, not because of trezeguet himself but because the midfield was not supplying the forwards. Taking one midfielder out to bring in Giovinco was not an option due to the low number of midfielders (3). Both Iaquinta and Del Piero were having a better game than trezeguet. They were moving more (at least towards the time of the sub). One of the three had to come out for Giovinco to come in. And for me it was a choice between Trezeguet and Iaquinta. The latter was energetic due to the scored goal so I understand subbing trezeguet.

The Serie A might not be as strong as before, and the reason is obvious. The Calciopoli has stripped almost all teams from their power, at least the competitive ones. The power went to Inter. The sad thing for an Inter fan is, even with all footballing power going to Inter they still need to cheat big time to win.

 

[Stephan]

i think david's comments were a reactionary outburst of how the rest of the team feels. an entire season has gone to waste in the serie A campaign due to injury and bad coaching. now the only thing that the players had left to fight for was again blown by bad coaching. this has got to take a toll on a certain players. we can all compare his actions to alex who kept his mouth shut but they are 2 totally different characters so no comparison can be made there. david is highly competitive and he knows that this club hasn't played for anything meaningful until our name was matched with chelsea for the 1st stage of the knock-out round. its gotta be frustrating for a player who has played for trophies and titles to not have a chance 3 years in a row to compete for anything.

-as excited as we were when we qualified for the CL last season, i bet david was 10x more exstatic.
-as excited as we were when we beat madrid and advanced to the second round, i bet david was 10x more exstatic.
-as excited as we were when we actually had a chance on our own field to beat chelsea to advance, i bet david was 10x more exstatic.
-and as pissed as we were when our best weapon was subbed out of the game to go a bit more defensive even though we needed a goal to stay in this and we still concede the killer blow, i guarantee you that david was 1000x more pissed and frustrated

good post.

add to that a probably hard done red card for Chiellini.

 

[SoulSiick]

Trez should not leave juve after 9 years,i heard today he admired Lyon chief in his website,its that true ? what exactly he said ?

maybe later doing something like fans did for IQ become necessary !

 

[edgardavids2608]

Ok first didnt Trez get subbed for Amauri? Not Iaquinta. Brazzo came on for Iaquinta. And also we did have a better chance of scoring even though I would have liked to see trez stay on bc they are pretty similar in skill levels but Amauri was fresh. That in Ranieris mind made us have a better chance. I we conceded a goal that easy with 3 backs and a regular mid how could we throw an extra forward on?

 

[Enoran]

Actually ...
Salihamidzic in for Nedved
Giovinco in for Iaquinta
Amauri in for Trezequet

 

[.zero]

I agree with you that Serie A isn't the strongest league... but then shouldn't Ancelotti, Spaletti, Prandelli and the lot be doing better with their teams? Milan have a bigger and better squad than ours... Yet they are struggling in all competitions they are playing in... Ranieri has done a commentable job... and I for one think he got everything right in the second leg vs Chelsea...

its a rat face asif, meaning that anyone can conceivably win it. inter isn't that much better than juve talent wise. we have too many injuries and a <insert adjective here> coach. ancellotti, prandelli and spaletti all could be at the top of the table right now but thay aren't better managers than mourinho. and that is what separates teams in serie A, otherwise our league is as watered down and weak as the the U.S. economy right now.

Our changes of scoring with Trezeguet on the field was lower, not because of trezeguet himself but because the midfield was not supplying the forwards. Taking one midfielder out to bring in Giovinco was not an option due to the low number of midfielders (3). Both Iaquinta and Del Piero were having a better game than trezeguet. They were moving more (at least towards the time of the sub). One of the three had to come out for Giovinco to come in. And for me it was a choice between Trezeguet and Iaquinta. The latter was energetic due to the scored goal so I understand subbing trezeguet.

The Serie A might not be as strong as before, and the reason is obvious. The Calciopoli has stripped almost all teams from their power, at least the competitive ones. The power went to Inter. The sad thing for an Inter fan is, even with all footballing power going to Inter they still need to cheat big time to win.

Ok first didnt Trez get subbed for Amauri? Not Iaquinta. Brazzo came on for Iaquinta. And also we did have a better chance of scoring even though I would have liked to see trez stay on bc they are pretty similar in skill levels but Amauri was fresh. That in Ranieris mind made us have a better chance. I we conceded a goal that easy with 3 backs and a regular mid how could we throw an extra forward on?

my response to both ZAF3000 and edgardavids2608 and anyone else who has a problem with why trez did what he did is

WE HAD TO SCORE AND OUR COACH DECIDED TO PLAY IT SAFE AND IN TURN HE STILL EARNED US A LOSS.

david has every right to speak out his frustration, has anyone ever considered that the players have voiced their concerns/opinions about the way things are done to ranieri in the locker room? is it all possible that he doesn't listen to any of his players? is that too hard to conceive? our player was pissed, and perhaps since the coach doesn't want to listen then he decided to air it out elsewhere. all teams have drama but for some reason when one of our most respected players opens his mouth its wrong of him to do so. don't criticize him for lashing out, what do you want him to do? stay quiet for another upcoming season of mediocrity??

david stayed with the team during relegation, even though i recall him wanting to leave but at the end of the day he stayed. he wants this team to succeed as much as del piero does, but he handles it in a different light. i'm glad to see one of our players step up and finally call out the coach.

 

[Red]

I don't see how bringing on a striker for a striker is 'playing it safe'.

If you have too many forwards on the pitch at a time, you can't get/keep the ball and so the strikers have no service.

What would be the point in having 4 forwards on the pitch and no-one there capable of getting the ball to them?

 

[edgardavids2608]

Thats what I am sayinf red. Ranieri isnt to blame for a bad sub. I coach myself and I know if you have no one to hold the ball the momentum gets shifted very quickly. They could have passed around us for the last minutes while 4 strikers ran around chasing but that wouldnt do us any good. Soory but wake up people bc having 4 strikers doesnt give us a better chance to win.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Ranieri tactics can be frustating especially for an ambitious player. Trezeguet whipped his ambitions aside for a season in serie B.. that takes some doing. I wont be suprised if Amauri has a similar outburst next year the same scenario occured (in terms of injuries and player rankings) or maybe someone else. The method may not have been great but the end result certainly looks like trez leaving us.. that for me personally is very saddening and I must admit if this does occur as a result of this outburst then expect the same to occur in the future. Trez should have acted more professional however that said his superiors were not any better but rather vented their frustation out on a player who was well loved by their predecessors.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Although I agree about 4 strikers being too many. One must understand here that Iaquinta can and has played RM in the past and DP can and has played behind the front two strikers in the past too.. That said I dont think there was much wrong with the tactics on the day.. but the reaction to trezes comments for me was much worse.

 

[ZAF3000]

its a rat face asif, meaning that anyone can conceivably win it. inter isn't that much better than juve talent wise. we have too many injuries and a <insert adjective here> coach. ancellotti, prandelli and spaletti all could be at the top of the table right now but thay aren't better managers than mourinho. and that is what separates teams in serie A, otherwise our league is as watered down and weak as the the U.S. economy right now.





my response to both ZAF3000 and edgardavids2608 and anyone else who has a problem with why trez did what he did is

WE HAD TO SCORE AND OUR COACH DECIDED TO PLAY IT SAFE AND IN TURN HE STILL EARNED US A LOSS.

david has every right to speak out his frustration, has anyone ever considered that the players have voiced their concerns/opinions about the way things are done to ranieri in the locker room? is it all possible that he doesn't listen to any of his players? is that too hard to conceive? our player was pissed, and perhaps since the coach doesn't want to listen then he decided to air it out elsewhere. all teams have drama but for some reason when one of our most respected players opens his mouth its wrong of him to do so. don't criticize him for lashing out, what do you want him to do? stay quiet for another upcoming season of mediocrity??

david stayed with the team during relegation, even though i recall him wanting to leave but at the end of the day he stayed. he wants this team to succeed as much as del piero does, but he handles it in a different light. i'm glad to see one of our players step up and finally call out the coach.

My comments are not against trezeguet at all. I love trezguet. He's one of my favorite players. But The coach did not play it safe. Changing trezeguet and bringing in Amauri/giovinco was not a bad call at all. In fact the team pushed even more and created even more with every sub ranieri made. So I cannot complain about that.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

I don't see how bringing on a striker for a striker is 'playing it safe'.

If you have too many forwards on the pitch at a time, you can't get/keep the ball and so the strikers have no service.

What would be the point in having 4 forwards on the pitch and no-one there capable of getting the ball to them?

exactly, two key things here

-amauri was on the bench and he had done enough to deserve a go at it
-3 strikers on the pitch already + one man down

so ranieri had to get amauri in and he had to keep the same formation. if he had not put amauri in he would have been bitched for the opposite and i am sorry but putting 4 strikers in when you are a man down is silly (read: stupid)

 

[.zero]

you guys can criticize and crucify him as much as you want but i'm telling you that this needed to be done. at least it shows that he is not gonna sit around to suffer through more failure and mediocrity.

when other players follow suit you will understand that its a problem that cannot be resolved internally unless ranieri is fired.

 

[Hambon]

you guys can criticize and crucify him as much as you want but i'm telling you that this needed to be done. at least it shows that he is not gonna sit around to suffer through more failure and mediocrity.

when other players follow suit you will understand that its a problem that cannot be resolved internally unless ranieri is fired.

Trez is Trez and with that aside IMO his bitchin about not playing 8 min is pretty lame... It was clear as day that we needed another attacker that can move the ball up and dribble defenders. Trez im sorry is not that type of player and we did not have the midfield or TIME to supply him with balls.

Now when you say other players following suit?? Are you implying that CR is THAT bad with his players?? Come on now he has let pretty much every one play this season and not only because he was forced due to injuries. Also if there were real problems we would have seen them on the players faces during substitutions and games.. you have to give credit to him where its due, he really has done a great job even if OUR expectations as Juventus fan is SKY high.CR imo is a visionary who has a plan just like he did in chelsea but needs time for it to unfold...not taken out from under him. 2nd place is ours for now and the silver star will be on our kits next season...lets just see how are summer transfer goes before we can make more assumptions...

btw i think it was ALen who posted an interesting Stat about how Juve has the most players who have scored this season...

 

[Red]

I think it might be taking it a bit far to call Ranieri a visionary.

 

[Stephan]

To be honest under these circumstances (a player down, 10 minutes left, 1 goal needed, do or die basicaly) it would have been worth to put Amauri on for someone else than a striker. So what if it would have been unbalanced, we had 10 minutes to play, its not so much about tactics in those situations anymore. And thats even more the reason to keep trez on, a long ball here and bang and 3-1. or smth.

 

[Hambon]

I think it might be taking it a bit far to call Ranieri a visionary.

I streched it a bit there ...

But seriously, If you take a look at how he built chelsea at the time and how he is building juve ..you can kinda see what the old man has in mind.. Also the last summer transfer market didnt exactly have the best defenders if i remember correctly...