Yes, and I admit he is innocent until proven guilty. But this dude is dead to me and I want him gone because nothing puts him under the right light at this moment. I am also somewhat upset about the view on equality some here in this forum have. I am not pointing the finger on you. Just taking the moment to share my load.
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I respect the fact that you feel strongly about rape victims, I do. It is a despicable thing, to do something like that to another human being. If he has done it, I'm with you all the way. I just can't take you seriously when you say "innocent until proven guilty" and in the same breath say "he's dead to me" for what he has allegedly done.
What if some girl from 20 years back came knocking on your door claiming you raped her, and you know in your heart you didn't?
We have to chill out with the judgments here, and just wait for due process.
My view is that, if this (what was in Der Spiegel today) is all she's got after 9 years, then she's got nothing.
What if some girl from 20 years back came knocking on your door claiming you raped her, and you know in your heart you didn't?
We have to chill out with the judgments here, and just wait for due process.
My view is that, if this (what was in Der Spiegel today) is all she's got after 9 years, then she's got nothing.
Please. She has to prove all this in a court of law.
If he actually raped her, he should do time, but innocent until proven guilty is the way the courts work. There have been a number of false rape accusations made against rich athletes over the years after consensual sex, in search of a payday. Did this happen here? I have no idea. But assuming guilt because of an accusation is just as ludicrous as assuming innocence.
Half the shit that has come out of the #metoo movement is utter rubbish.
If he actually raped her, he should do time, but innocent until proven guilty is the way the courts work. There have been a number of false rape accusations made against rich athletes over the years after consensual sex, in search of a payday. Did this happen here? I have no idea. But assuming guilt because of an accusation is just as ludicrous as assuming innocence.
Half the shit that has come out of the #metoo movement is utter rubbish.
No. It is rape if she said no. Doesn't matter if she is Supergirl or drugged. We decide what happens to our bodies and who is allowed to touch it and how. It has nothing to do about being defenceless or out of her control. But sure, let's go there, she is pushed by force into the bed and pleads no, tries by force to break loose on several occasions. Would you frame that as she not being defenceless or out of her control? I can't think of any rape happening that wasn't in that kind of position either psychologically or physically.
I don't want anyone to go through what is happening, neither she or Ronaldo. Naturally, my hope is that nothing happened out of ordinary and she's just begging for money or looking to publish some nonsense book. But right now, that's not how it seems. But like we said... let's wait and see.
I don't want anyone to go through what is happening, neither she or Ronaldo. Naturally, my hope is that nothing happened out of ordinary and she's just begging for money or looking to publish some nonsense book. But right now, that's not how it seems. But like we said... let's wait and see.
False allegations happens all the time. But I would like to address that men in power usually are the worst narcissistic pigs too. Yes to the points you make but I would like to address my standing point if it still seem somewhat unclear;
The #metoo movement is one of the best movements during my life time. I hope it grows and we all learn from this about equality and inequality. To me it is an obvious step in the right direction. If something (haven't seen any of it yet) bad came out of it then sure that's bad. But even if it did, there is sooooo much good that SHOULD come out of it. By should I mean what we should acknowledge, adress and adjust to.
The #metoo movement is one of the best movements during my life time. I hope it grows and we all learn from this about equality and inequality. To me it is an obvious step in the right direction. If something (haven't seen any of it yet) bad came out of it then sure that's bad. But even if it did, there is sooooo much good that SHOULD come out of it. By should I mean what we should acknowledge, adress and adjust to.
Does Ronaldo not deserve the benefit of the doubt that accused are supposed to be afforded in civilized societies?
I have sympathy for victims of sexual assault but this metoo era "believe the victim at all costs in spite of evidence" is ridiculous. If Ronaldo were accused of any other crime would you not agree that he deserves his say before being thrown under the bus? Sexual assault is not different, or at least it should not be.
Sexual assault victims are not holier than thou. Of course women do lie about being raped by men like Ronaldo. Simple. He is full of money and would rather pay, even if the accusations are totally false, then have it get out publicly.
I have sympathy for victims of sexual assault but this metoo era "believe the victim at all costs in spite of evidence" is ridiculous. If Ronaldo were accused of any other crime would you not agree that he deserves his say before being thrown under the bus? Sexual assault is not different, or at least it should not be.
Sexual assault victims are not holier than thou. Of course women do lie about being raped by men like Ronaldo. Simple. He is full of money and would rather pay, even if the accusations are totally false, then have it get out publicly.