Cristiano Ronaldo (144 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

So saving €60M with Ronaldo's sale equals signing Locatelli. If its so black or white for you, then there's no point having this discussion.

You make it sound like we're saving Arab money which will skyrocket us towards CL. I think we should keep Ronaldo for ONE year as it's the best option because neither Morata nor Dybala should be our CF, and signing a new striker to replace Ronaldo would require A LOT of money which we shouldn't focus on a striker but new midfield.

I mentioned like 10 reasons why we shouldn't sell him, which you obviously fail to see and address, so yeah, this discussion is pointless.

 

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[Xperd]

You make it sound like we're saving Arab money which will skyrocket us towards CL. I think we should keep Ronaldo for ONE year as it's the best option because neither Morata nor Dybala should be our CF, and signing a new striker to replace Ronaldo would require A LOT of money which we shouldn't focus on a striker but new midfield.

I mentioned like 10 reasons why we shouldn't sell him, which you obviously fail to see and address, so yeah, this discussion is pointless.

Again exaggerating to make a point. Unfortunately you have no middle ground.

All I said was this. We are in a nothing to lose situation. We have already lost the league, it wouldn't hurt to overhaul the squad which by the way, was what Allegri initially wanted when he was still here but the club declined.

Even with another year of Ronaldo, we're not going to become a CL contender all of a sudden. It's going to be the same old irrelevant swaps and free transfers. With his departure, not only we will have the room to CHANGE THE STRUCTURE of the team by not relying on one single player, we will also have the room to rework other areas of the pitch. Not every position needs to be filled by a wc player. We need functional players just like the old times. But I'm afraid we wouldn't be in a position to do that if we continue along our current path.

Ironically it's his off the pitch contribution that we'll probably lose out on if we sell him more than on the pitch but at some point you gotta make those changes.

Having said that, we'll probably go down the Barca route and retain for him another year because we're more concerned about the impact it could potentially have on our revenues than results on the pitch.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Again exaggerating to make a point. Unfortunately you have no middle ground.

All I said was this. We are in a nothing to lose situation. We have already lost the league, it wouldn't hurt to overhaul the squad which by the way, was what Allegri initially wanted when he was still here but the club declined.

Even with another year of Ronaldo, we're not going to become a CL contender all of a sudden. It's going to be the same old irrelevant swaps and free transfers. With his departure, not only we will have the room to CHANGE THE STRUCTURE of the team by not relying on one single player, we will also have the room to rework other areas of the pitch. Not every position needs to be filled by a wc player. We need functional players just like the old times. But I'm afraid we wouldn't be in a position to do that if we continue along our current path.

Ironically it's his off the pitch contribution that we'll probably lose out on if we sell him more than on the pitch but at some point you gotta make those changes.

Having said that, we'll probably go down the Barca route and retain for him another year because we're more concerned about the impact it could potentially have on our revenues than results on the pitch.

Lets say we sell him. Who would you play upfront?

 

[zizinho]

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Chiesa Ronaldo xxxx
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[GiocataGrande]

He's also bringing us tons of cash.

Can someone actually verify this? What is the math behind that statement?

 

[Cerval]

Can someone actually verify this? What is the math behind that statement?

They'll say marketing except going out to Lyon and Porto and the attitude we display on the field will do wonders to marketing by attracting new fans lol. Sporting success plays a big role, we won't sell more merchandising by being king of social media while being utter dross on the field. Know a Ronaldo fan that will buy JJ merchandise and associate with the club? Fuck no rofl

 

[GiocataGrande]

They'll say marketing except going out to Lyon and Porto and the attitude we display on the field will do wonders to marketing by attracting new fans lol. Sporting success plays a big role, we won't sell more merchandising by being king of social media while being utter dross on the field. Know a Ronaldo fan that will buy JJ merchandise and associate with the club? Fuck no rofl

I heard this Ronaldo and bringing in money argument so many times, but never seen actual proof. genuinely curious about it, like is it even remotely true?

 

[IlCapitano]

I heard this Ronaldo and bringing in money argument so many times, but never seen actual proof. genuinely curious about it, like is it even remotely true?

Of course it is, reflected in annual revenue, new sponsorships, social media following and engagements etc.

Getting rid of Ronaldo AND another 10-12 players - perfectly fine. Heck, I might even prefer that option.

But getting rid of Ronaldo and staying put for the most part in other departments - fuck that.

 

[GiocataGrande]

Of course it is, reflected in annual revenue, new sponsorships, social media following and engagements etc.

Getting rid of Ronaldo AND another 10-12 players - perfectly fine. Heck, I might even prefer that option.

But getting rid of Ronaldo and staying put for the most part in other departments - fuck that.

You are twisting the argument into other parts.

Im asking a simple question: can you provide any numbers for the revenue, sponsorship etc and all that so called money we are bringing in with him put up against the loss we take because of his sallary/wage and other expenses tied to him ?

A factual (or at the very least a realistic) estimate would be nice

 

[IlCapitano]

You are twisting the argument into other parts.

Im asking a simple question: can you provide any numbers for the revenue, sponsorship etc and all that so called money we are bringing in with him put up against the loss we take because of his sallary/wage etc?

I really don't feel like digging, but you have public financial statements on juventus.com

Look at the numbers before and after him, it's quite obvious.

 

[GiocataGrande]

I really don't feel like digging, but you have public financial statements on juventus.com

Look at the numbers before and after him, it's quite obvious.

fine, i will look further into this and find an estimate.

If you only look at stocks and isolate it, i can see the argument of him bringing us tons of cash, but the overall financial situation and taking in all factors surely will bring a more balanced picture of it

 

[MrMonkey]

Sorry but whatever this guy does I will always give him the delpiero! Amazing that someway/somehow AA and Co has totally fuked up the twilight of his legacy.

 

[Xperd]

Lets say we sell him. Who would you play upfront?

Idk, that's for Tici to figure out.

 

[Juliano13]

Ronaldo averaged 10+ assists a season for like a decade up to his Sarri season.

You said Dybala is a poacher..

 

[Juliano13]

Top notch logic.

 

[Post Ironic]

You said Dybala is a poacher..

Oh that. Apologies. A bit of an exaggeration. He doesn’t play as one, because he has always dropped so deep, but his best quality by far is goalscoring and he’s at his best when not dropping deep but playing in and around the box, poaching goals. He’s too one-footed and doesn’t have the touch nor passing vision to be a creative attacking mid/forward responsible for creating chances for the others. Doesn’t suit him.

 

[Juliano13]

Oh that. Apologies. A bit of an exaggeration. He doesn’t play as one, because he has always dropped so deep, but his best quality by far is goalscoring and he’s at his best when not dropping deep but playing in and around the box, poaching goals. He’s too one-footed and doesn’t have the touch nor passing vision to be a creative attacking mid/forward responsible for creating chances for the others. Doesn’t suit him.

Deep Lying Forward is his best position. He has a decent shot from inside the box with his right foot. Calling him a poacher is ridiculous. Ronaldo on the other hand has regressed to the point where he can do about as much as Icardi with the ball at his feet.

 

[JuveJay]

Imagine how many games we would have lost without a goalkeeper. Szczesny has been so crucial. Probably won us 56 points on his own.

 

[Nedved96]

Imagine how many games we would have lost without a goalkeeper. Szczesny has been so crucial. Probably won us 56 points on his own.

Thank you

These stats about how “we’d lose so many points without Ronaldo” are ridiculous and completely pointless.

Yeah, if we played with 10 men every game and did not use the money we’d save on Ronaldo’s wages to buy another forward... then maybe.

 

[MrMonkey]

How about that CL match ago a few years where he scores 3 goals after team being down 0-2 I think? Anyone here not believe opposing managers say guard CR7 and let the rest do whatever? How much more open space would CR7 have if he had more capable players around him. You want to say he's overpaid for his results, okay fine, but he's way down the list when considering other Juve players.