Cristiano Ronaldo (199 Viewers)

Nedved96

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Sep 1, 2017
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I actually thought he was better this game on the WHOLE than when he faced Atletico last season. His general play and selection of passing was superb. He also displayed shades of his younger self with some vintage wing-play. The main difference between this game and the Alteti one was that everyone was generally more fired up that time round and certain players had the game of their lives (Bernardeschi) which aided Ronaldo. This time, he had absolutely no-one remotely close to his level so his heroics was always likely to go down in vain. After the 2nd goal, I knew we had no chance of scoring again unless he pulled another rabbit out of the hat.

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You're looking at it from one angle only. What about the fact that our midfield has declined since 2017 and is almost non-existent? I'm pretty sure that also contributed to the reduction of goals scored.
The biggest reason behind our drop in goals since 2017 has been the physical decline of Pjanic. None of our current midfielders are anywhere near the same level as 27 year old Pjanic (although I do like Bentancur and Rabiot and would like to keep them).
 

JCK

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I actually thought he was better this game on the WHOLE than when he faced Atletico last season. His general play and selection of passing was superb. He also displayed shades of his younger self with some vintage wing-play. The main difference between this game and the Alteti one was that everyone was generally more fired up that time round and certain players had the game of their lives (Bernardeschi) which aided Ronaldo. This time, he had absolutely no-one remotely close to his level so his heroics was always likely to go down in vain. After the 2nd goal, I knew we had no chance of scoring again unless he pulled another rabbit out of the hat.

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You're looking at it from one angle only. What about the fact that our midfield has declined since 2017 and is almost non-existent? I'm pretty sure that also contributed to the reduction of goals scored.
It's the Sarri effect. One of his known skills is to make attacking players much better.
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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I don't know why people feel bad for him. He has 5 UCL titles, won literally everything in the game of football. He doesn't need to win anything anymore really.

And big LOL's to the people who blame him for anything as well. What he shows on the pitch at 35, being a billionare and he does everything he can, for the every penny he ears on the pitch while we see these free passengers coming out of shape after the breaks etc. He is everything that every boss in the world would hope in return for their employees, total dedication, total professionalism and literally respecting the fact, that someone actually hired him instead of just coming to practice to collect the salary. He leads by the example, he sets the example and some sort of parameters to others to follow, whether it's on the pitch or outside of it and we cannot take the advatange from all the benefits he brings on the table. He doesn't even need any gathering, you don't need to be concerned what he does outside of the pitch because everytime the game is on, he's fully focused on one thing and that thing is winning and that's what this is all about or should be. When the game is on the line, you are always little bit concerned how certain players will do, is the coach prepared well enough and how is the mental state of team but when you look at him, you don't need to be concerned a one fucking bit, he will always deliver.

I feel bad as a Juve fan to have player like that and literally bottling the once in a lifetime opportunity.
 

Gian

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Apr 12, 2009
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So it would've been better to stick with a mistake, i feel like some just like to complain no matter what action is taken
I'm not saying you need to stick with a mistake but rather think logical about it. If you want to make the most out of Ronaldo's years here you need to appoint a pragmatic manager who favours short term succes and in game decisions.

A system manager like Sarri who is uncompromisable in his vision would either take an awful lot of time or not even succeed at all. Just thinking very logically about this
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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I'm not saying you need to stick with a mistake but rather think logical about it. If you want to make the most out of Ronaldo's years here you need to appoint a pragmatic manager who favours short term succes and in game decisions.

A system manager like Sarri who is uncompromisable in his vision would either take an awful lot of time or not even succeed at all. Just thinking very logically about this
Which makes it even more logical to fire him, a gamble was made it proved to be a losing one, time to cut your losses.
 

Gian

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Which makes it even more logical to fire him, a gamble was made it proved to be a losing one, time to cut your losses.
I'm not saying firing him is the wrong choice, I'm saying appointing him was the wrong choice. If you're craving out 80/m per year for Ronaldo then you can't get a provincial banker with a discutable track record as his manager
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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I'm not saying you need to stick with a mistake but rather think logical about it. If you want to make the most out of Ronaldo's years here you need to appoint a pragmatic manager who favours short term succes and in game decisions.

A system manager like Sarri who is uncompromisable in his vision would either take an awful lot of time or not even succeed at all. Just thinking very logically about this
You are thinking logically about this

however Fabio and Nedved were not when they raised disputes with Max and decided to fire him and bring in a man with a system. If they had a clue what they were doing then they would realize that a player like CR7 isn't a system player nor does he have the time to wait for any system to be implemented.

In fact, placing a player like him in a system can limit and neuter him
 

Gian

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Apr 12, 2009
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You are thinking logically about this

however Fabio and Nedved were not when they raised disputes with Max and decided to fire him and bring in a man with a system. If they had a clue what they were doing then they would realize that a player like CR7 isn't a system player nor does he have the time to wait for any system to be implemented.

In fact, placing a player like him in a system can limit and neuter him
Yeah, that's what I tend to believe. It also means that the likes of Guardiola, Gasperini or Conte aren't the best managers to get the most out of him as well.
 

.zero

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But those coaches have proved successful with their systems (barring Gasperini)

If they are thinking about life after CR7 then it makes sense

Sarri never made sense here for several reasons
 

Gian

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Apr 12, 2009
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But those coaches have proved successful with their systems (barring Gasperini)

If they are thinking about life after CR7 then it makes sense

Sarri never made sense here for several reasons
Why would you crave 80/m per season for a 35 year old if you're planning for life after while he's still here? All those coaches are perfectly fine and succesful in their respectful way but it would make more sense to fund/finance the players they need for their system instead of spending big bucks on CR7 meaning you can't sign the players they actually need to play their systems.

CR7 was signed for merely one reason and one reason only: winning CL. If we wanted to rebuild our squad and reduce the average age, etc, then signing him wasn't in line with that policy. Considering we don't have the Arab money coming in we need to choose between short term or long term succes.

I think this is why Marotta (was forced to) go separate ways. He probably saw either a lack of vision or an inconsistency in management
 

sgjuveboy

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Oct 31, 2012
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We at Juve were never a diehard fan of CR7. That is until he joins us.

We have had del piero, baggio, Buffon etc. but CR7 showed us what a true GREAT CHAMPION looks like. His talent and determination is shown in every single aspect in his life, down to his body language.

It is really a pity that we let him down. If he leaves without winning ECL with us, I’m sure many Juve fans will abandon Juve and be a fan of whichever club that CR7 is going to. That is because CR7 has shown us what it takes to win ECL, and Juve (directors and players) are never going to have what it takes.

2022 story may really be:
CR7 came to Juve. Turned Juve fans in CR7 fans. CR7 leaves Juve, taking all Juve fans with him. Ultimate GOAT move to humiliate our outdated Italian management.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Cristiano Ronaldo had already let the club know that he would not stay with Sarri in charge. Ronaldo is furious, but I think he'll stay. [Momblano]


The GOAT has spoken.
 

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