Cristiano Ronaldo (136 Viewers)

Sep 28, 2017
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The formation puts players in wide areas that shouldn't really be in wide areas. This is something you simply cannot avoid unless you want to completely forego possession in wide areas which is what we are sort of doing right now.

A ST shouldn't be in a wide area, ideally. Neither should a CM, ideally. We can all agree on this. The only players you could say should really be there are the fullbacks but then you are leaving yourself open at the back. You can't always rely on defenders to supply attacking width, it's such a big risk.

Any formation can work if you just overwhelm the opponent with top players. Like we did with Pogba, Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal. But the 4-3-1-2 has glaring flaws staring you right in the face. Immediately you have to solve a problem, and that's regarding who you want to receive the ball in wide areas. It's just so dumb IMO.

Ok, to play a 4-3-1-2, I'll buy Kante to play B2B. Great, he's an 8 out of 10 in this formation because he doesn't want to go wide. But he's such a good player that it still works. And the formation works, I win games. But if I play Kante in a 4-3-3, he's a 10 out of 10! So why don't I just do that?

If I ask Cuadrado to play full back but always up beside the strikers and still run back in defence he's an 8 out of 10. He's a great player so it works, and I win games! But if I play Cuadrado in a 4-3-3, where he doesn't have to play two different positions at once, he's a 10 out of 10! Why don't I just do that?

And same with a striker. If you buy a great striker, he can receive the ball wide and still be effective, but you want the striker central.

Now all these sacrifices are being made because you want to put a Trequartista on the field? It better be someone amazing, who can operate in such small spaces. Such a player that barely exists, and doesn't exist on this team for sure.

I think this is obviously why this formation is uncommon.
Good post, I agree that some players who shouldn’t be wide have to cover that width regardless. The most glaring example is Rabiot, who is almost playing like a winger. He doesn’t have the pace to play that wide plain and simple (hence why Matuidi is more effective in Sarri’s system atm).

I did however like how it worked offensively the first couple of games, but either the opponents are figuring it out or we’re just sloppy. Sarri seems like a realistic and sensible coach, so if this continues I expect some changes from him.
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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How does a system so bad made Milan win the CL in 2007 or more recently, made Juve reach the final in 2015? Even made Real win 2 of their last 4 CLs.

Which leads me to what I believe. If you have offensive fullbacks and a good midfield, it's a great system. I actually prefer 4-2-3-1 since it's the best of both worlds. But I disagree that this system is worse than another.

Beside in a 4-3-1-2 played correctly, you either don’t got to the wings at all or let the fullbacks go wide and a midfielder to cover in defence. No movements there from strikers or midfielder on the wings
So you prefer a system with wingers :tuttosport:
 
May 23, 2013
3,314
Honestly though I hate them, I can't insult CR7 Fagboys. It might make me a poor fan, but last season I was definitely on loan. Among other things Marchisio being forced out was really just too much. But Sarri's arrival forced me to sign a new deal with the club.
 
Nov 3, 2019
41
Ah yes. That lineup definitely needed to be configured in a 4-3-1-2 in order to score. :howler:

They would score in any formation, come on. Pass to prime Ronaldo, goal. They didn't even play well against us. 2nd goal was pure luck on a deflection.
Dude they have destroyed us in the second half, Modric became a Maestro & dominated our whole midfield.
 

james95

Junior Member
Sep 2, 2018
485
The formation puts players in wide areas that shouldn't really be in wide areas. This is something you simply cannot avoid unless you want to completely forego possession in wide areas which is what we are sort of doing right now.

A ST shouldn't be in a wide area, ideally. Neither should a CM, ideally. We can all agree on this. The only players you could say should really be there are the fullbacks but then you are leaving yourself open at the back. You can't always rely on defenders to supply attacking width, it's such a big risk.

Any formation can work if you just overwhelm the opponent with top players. Like we did with Pogba, Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal. But the 4-3-1-2 has glaring flaws staring you right in the face. Immediately you have to solve a problem, and that's regarding who you want to receive the ball in wide areas. It's just so dumb IMO.

Ok, to play a 4-3-1-2, I'll buy Kante to play B2B. Great, he's an 8 out of 10 in this formation because he doesn't want to go wide. But he's such a good player that it still works. And the formation works, I win games. But if I play Kante in a 4-3-3, he's a 10 out of 10! So why don't I just do that?

If I ask Cuadrado to play full back but always up beside the strikers and still run back in defence he's an 8 out of 10. He's a great player so it works, and I win games! But if I play Cuadrado in a 4-3-3, where he doesn't have to play two different positions at once, he's a 10 out of 10! Why don't I just do that?

And same with a striker. If you buy a great striker, he can receive the ball wide and still be effective, but you want the striker central.

Now all these sacrifices are being made because you want to put a Trequartista on the field? It better be someone amazing, who can operate in such small spaces. Such a player that barely exists, and doesn't exist on this team for sure.

I think this is obviously why this formation is uncommon.
I think it was the best formation given the players we have available (no wingers). It's just that the personnel are not executing it to a good standard. The 4-3-3 wouldn't have worked with D.Costa out as there's no other actual wingers in the squad (since Ronaldo comes centrally and Cuadrado has been cover for RB).
 
May 23, 2011
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  • Vlad

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I almost switched to Real Madrid when Zidane left , but then Nedved happened .


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I was disappointed when we sold Baggio to Milan, but we had replacement in young Del Piero so I quickly grew to like him even better. I think kids follow players more and as you grow up, your emotional attachment with club evolves... Im too old now to be a fanboy and in general I dont care much for players until they spend significant amount of years here but I always appreciate great ones like CR or Messi, no matter the shirt they wear.
 

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