Cristiano Ronaldo (70 Viewers)

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MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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I definitely don't think Ten Hag deserves all the praise he's getting though.

Ronaldo was an easy target and Ten Hag used him to make himself look strong. It works, because his players have zero life experience and are idiots anyway. Try stuff like this in the real world with intelligent people and you're kicked out of whatever company you were in in two seconds flat.
Didn't get a notification for this. In my view, he doesn't really have much of a choice. You can't just let the man do whatever he wants. There are definitely coaches that would let him though, and I think they would end up looking worse.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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at this point in his career he's incredibly difficult to manage and I don't think there are a lot of coaches who'd be able to put him in his place and successfully integrate him into a team. Without that he's definitely a net negative, football is a team game.
This is exactly right. Dutch coaches PREACH the team game and he needs the team to feed him. This is why we never made a play for him and flat-out said we would never want a player like Ronaldo.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Sure, but its worth noting that in all 3 Ronaldo seasons we went out in CL to teams with a lot more "garbage" on their rosters. Even if you consider the teams that we put together for Allegri, Sarri and Pirlo subpar, each team still failed to reach their limited potential.

It was even more evident last season for United, after signing Ronaldo they looked worse than the season before.
Apart from his last season vs Porto, he scored in all ties. We conceded 3 vs Porto, 3 vs Ajax, 2 vs Lyon. If we were up to our usual solid setup and conceded less (Chiellini missed all of the ties we went out in, was subbed out vs Porto only i think due to injury. And if you rewatch the goals, youd see the difference it made), then who knows how far we go. But blaming Ronaldo, or saying we went out because of him, who has 7 goals in those games is silly
 
Apr 12, 2004
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What did Bayern see?
This isn’t the first time Bayern have rejected the idea of signing Ronaldo. When the player originally moved from Real Madrid to Juventus for an eyewatering 100m euro transfer fee, then CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge commented that “Bayern would have never done such a thing.”

Back then, this statement was met with much derision from the CR7 and Juventus fanbases, but KHR proved correct in his assessment. Despite breaking the bank on Ronaldo, the Old Lady actually saw their performances decline in the following seasons, especially in Europe. Even with Ronaldo scoring regularly for them, something was amiss at Juve and they failed to reach their heights from the 2015-2018 years.

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Following Juventus, Ronaldo’s return to Man United was not a happy one. Photo by Mike Egerton/PA Images via Getty Images
The same happened when he moved back to Man United. A promising project under coach Ole Gunnar Solskjaer quickly turned sour a few months after Ronaldo’s arrival, despite the Portuguese superstar still contributing on the scorer’s sheet. Like with Max Allegri, Maurizio Sarri, and Andrea Pirlo before him, Solskjaer became the fourth consecutive coach to be sacked by his club after coaching Ronaldo.

You could point to the systemic issues plaguing both these clubs as the real reason for their coaches’ downfall, and you would be correct. However, signing and playing the modern day version of CR7 is a symptom of those systemic issues. Ronaldo brings a rot to any current-day team, and clubs who cannot see that meet their demise very quickly.

There is a reason why no big, UCL-caliber team came for Ronaldo this summer. Well-run teams like Bayern Munich, Manchester City, and Real Madrid see no role for a 37-year-old specialist goalscorer who doesn’t work off the ball and can’t press. There’s a reason why Ten Hag’s “new look” United team has no space for Ronaldo, despite utilizing frankly mediocre players like Antony Martial and Marcus Rashford.

Modern day football is about roles and profiles, not superstars. Bayern Munich recognize this and act accordingly in the transfer market. It’s not like the current board is averse to spending, they greenlit a €76m spend on Matthijs de Ligt this summer despite already having the Dayot Upamecano (€40m) and Lucas Hernandez (€80m) on the squad already.

It’s clear that the game has passed Ronaldo by. He’s no longer your key to winning the big trophies, and don’t be surprised to see him retire or go to MLS in the coming weeks. Or maybe Borussia Dortmund could take a punt on him? Now that would cause the kind of delicious chaos we’d appreciate.
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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Not surprised him being pissed af. You've been top of the game for 20 years and even last season he was by far the best Man Utd player, and he was giving everything he has to try to lure Utd to to UCL by being the top scorer of whole spring and all he sees is jogging "lads" from the foggy islands not giving a single fuck. Then he realizes if this goes like this, i won't be continuing in here if we don't get the quality players. He put the notice of leaving, didn't show up on pre-season after zero signings on the summer and straight away signings started to pop up, Casemiro was signed, Antony was signed, Malacia was signed etc. He was promised a more competent team in order to stay and maybe Ten Hag was against it, but didn't openly admit it but owners told that we're keeping him for obvious reason. Now you can see Ten Hag believing in certain football, which includes high-intensity and alot of pressing, where Ronaldo just doesn't fit good as way less of a footballers in Rashford, Martial, Sancho's etc and then you get punished from that because you don't fit to the system. Then you start to recall last season, seeing all those guys not giving a fuck and still getting start every match this season they're fit to play and there you're, sitting on the bench for being literally only one trying during the last season. He prob thinks what the fuck is going on for real, that those guys who literally were nothing but collecting paychecks for last 2 years are automated starters out of sudden. I get that Ten Hag hasn't been there for those 2 years or even last season, but it doesn't matter for Ronaldo because based on the previous season, he should be a starter instead of those pure definitions of a total fuck ups when it comes to football players. It's like you working your ass off for some company and your colleagues being nothing but burden, yet they get the promotions. It's so fucking unbeliavable wrong and i get that Ronaldo is furious as fuck. I'v barely seen a footballer being treated so god damn badly i'v seen as this whole situation is.

Ten Hag should be buying him Rolex every match he wins, just because Ronaldo's pre-season stunt was the reason he got the players he wanted.
 

Zzak

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Sep 11, 2014
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I'd still take him back in January if United would pay half of his wages and he would agree that he wouldn't take any free kicks while Vlahovic is on the pitch.
He has that winning mentality we're severely lacking at the moment after Chiellini's departure
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Didn't get a notification for this. In my view, he doesn't really have much of a choice. You can't just let the man do whatever he wants. There are definitely coaches that would let him though, and I think they would end up looking worse.
I think a really great manager could have still implemented Ronaldo as a bit part player, but maybe this was just the easiest way to win over the other players.

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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This is exactly right. Dutch coaches PREACH the team game and he needs the team to feed him. This is why we never made a play for him and flat-out said we would never want a player like Ronaldo.
Although I wasn't opposed to him coming, I think it was a weird transfer for Juve too. Yes we sign star players, but no one is bigger than the club. We had no problems whatsoever selling Baggio at the height of his career, because we believed in Del Piero. We sold friggin' Zidane, because we thought we could get three great players in return. Signing Ronaldo was.. odd.

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