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[Bianco2nero]

*****Real Madrid
**** Bayern Munich, Manchester United
*** Milan, Liverpool, Barcelona, Juventus
** Internazionale, Dortmund etc...

 

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[Siamak]

it's coming to turin.

 

[Elvin]

Not sure I agree concerning Barca.

They've won 2 trebles, 5 CL's and numerous Spanish titles. Admittedly is it in the last 10-15 years, but it's still very impressive.

Juve might lack the CL's, but you have a lot of domestic titles in what was for many years the strongest league in the world. You have more championships than Bayern, Barca, United and Real.

But yes the 2 CL titles is not looking good on paper comparing to the others. United might have won a single CL more than you, but they have fewer of the other European trophies. You have more Uefa Cups, Super Cups and Intercontinental cups than them.

I know the CL is important as it's the most prestigious trophy in club football, but you have a lot of other big titles as said.

Btw I think Liverpool actually bigger than MU.

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*****Real Madrid
**** Bayern Munich, Manchester United
*** Milan, Liverpool, Barcelona, Juventus
** Internazionale, Dortmund etc...

Wtf is so great about MU? Besides amazing marketing.

 

[Knowah]

Manchester United definitely embraced the marketing of their Golden Generation to their own advantage.

The golden generation plus moderate success domestically in the 90s was instrumental in their emergence as a marketed club with the tv and then dotcom boom which changed the way a club can market themselves and can grow. Perfect timing for them.

 

[Siamak]

*****Real Madrid
**** Bayern Munich, Manchester United
*** Milan, Liverpool, Barcelona, Juventus
** Internazionale, Dortmund etc...

*****Real Madrid
**** Bayern Munich, Liverpool
*** Milan, Chelsea, Barcelona, Juventus
** Internazionale, Dortmund , Man utd etc...

 

[Elvin]

***** Real Madrid
**** Bayern, Liverpool, Juve, Barça, Milan
*** Inter, Ajax, MU, Chelsea

Yes, Dotmund is NOT a super club.

 

[BayernFan]

Btw I think Liverpool actually bigger than MU.

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Wtf is so great about MU? Besides amazing marketing.

Really?

I think United is bigger, but of course you can't ignore the fact that Liverpool have been way more succesful in Europe. 6 CL titles to Uniteds 3, and 3 Uefa Cups to Uniteds 1.

Liverpool dominated English football in the 70's and 80's and United in the 90's and 00's. All it takes is for Liverpool to get a few more premiership titles, then they'll be bigger for sure. But they way United won 13 PL titles in 20 years is still something very impressive.

United had the greater players though imo. Liverpool also had some iconic players, but to be fair is it few of them that can be considered some of the best ever at their respective positions.

I feel United had more of those, at least in the last 20-30 years.

 

[Siamak]

Manchester United definitely embraced the marketing of their Golden Generation to their own advantage.

The golden generation plus moderate success domestically in the 90s was instrumental in their emergence as a marketed club with the tv and then dotcom boom which changed the way a club can market themselves and can grow. Perfect timing for them.

1999-2009 was their golden era.

 

[Knowah]

1999-2009 was their golden era.

Yeah, and it was the perfect time to have a golden era as it was the emergence of the internet and everybody having access to the EPL.

 

[Elvin]

Really?

I think United is bigger, but of course you can't ignore the fact that Liverpool have been way more succesful in Europe. 6 CL titles to Uniteds 3, and 3 Uefa Cups to Uniteds 1.

Liverpool dominated English football in the 70's and 80's and United in the 90's and 00's. All it takes is for Liverpool to get a few more premiership titles, then they'll be bigger for sure. But they way United won 13 PL titles in 20 years is still something very impressive.

United had the greater players though imo. Liverpool also had some iconic players, but to be fair is it few of them that can be considered some of the best ever at their respective positions.

I feel United had more of those, at least in the last 20-30 years.

Liverpool is for sure bigger. The only reason this is even a debate is MU's insane marketing success and Pool's 30 year failure to win EPL, which influences the perception. But objectively Liverpool is bigger. Take away SAF and they are nothing. No such thing can be said about other big clubs, it's kinda embarassing actually.

 

[BayernFan]

Many men in Denmark around my fathers age (late/mid 50's and start 60's), support Liverpool. The reason for this is because they grew up with something called "Tipslørdag".

This was basically just Saturday being the football day and many games from the English First Division being shown in TV, it was so nearly every weekend. And as so many came to support Liverpool as they were kids/teens/young men in the 70's and 80's and grew up seeing Liverpool being the dominant force.

You also have those that support numerous German clubs, Bayern and Gladbach was very popular also.

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Liverpool is for sure bigger. The only reason this is even a debate is MU's insane marketing success and Pool's 30 year failure to win EPL, which influences the perception. But objectively Liverpool is bigger.

I'd take these United legends:

Van Nistelrooy, Paul Scholes, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, Japp Stam, Schmeichel, Van der Sar, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Vidic, Ronaldo etc.

Over these Liverpool legends; Suarez, Torres, Gerrard, Dalglish, Allan Hansen, Souness, Mcmanaman, John Barnes, Michael Owen etc.

Honestly I got a hard time listing Liverpool legends as I feel they're lacking those GOAT players. Sure they're having legends, but how many can we say are in that GOAT category?

What Liverpool got on United is their proud history in the European Cup.

 

[Siamak]

Man utd :
CL Trophy : 3
ballon d'or winner : 4

Liverpool:
CL Trophy : 6
ballon d'or winner : 1

Chelsea:
CL Trophy : 2
ballon d'or winner : 0


Real Madrid:
CL Trophy : 13
ballon d'or winner : 11

Barcelona :
CL Trophy : 5
ballon d'or winner : 12

Juventus :
CL Trophy : 2
ballon d'or winner : 8

Inter:
CL Trophy : 3
ballon d'or winner : 2

Milan:
CL Trophy : 7
ballon d'or winner : 8

Bayern:
CL Trophy : 6
ballon d'or winner : 5

 

[BayernFan]

Man utd :
CL Trophy : 3
ballon d'or winner : 4

Liverpool:
CL Trophy : 6
ballon d'or winner : 1

Chelsea:
CL Trophy : 2
ballon d'or winner : 0


Real Madrid:
CL Trophy : 13
ballon d'or winner : 12

Barcelona :
CL Trophy : 5
ballon d'or winner : 8

Juventus :
CL Trophy : 2
ballon d'or winner : 8

Inter:
CL Trophy : 3
ballon d'or winner : 2

Milan:
CL Trophy : 7
ballon d'or winner : 8

Bayern:
CL Trophy : 5
ballon d'or winner : 5

Some of the numbers on this list are wrong.

 

[Siamak]

Some of the numbers on this list is wrong.

https://en.as.com/en/2019/12/02/soccer/1575286514_031279.html

https://www.topendsports.com/sport/soccer/list-player-of-the-year-ballondor.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d'Or

 

[BayernFan]

https://en.as.com/en/2019/12/02/soccer/1575286514_031279.html

https://www.topendsports.com/sport/soccer/list-player-of-the-year-ballondor.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d'Or

Barca is the club with most Ballon d'Or wins, they got 12. Real Madrid got 11 Ballon d'Or winners.

Bayern won the European Cup/CL 6 times and not 5.

 

[Siamak]

Barca is the club with most Ballon d'Or wins, they got 12. Real Madrid got 11 Ballon d'Or winners.

Bayern won the European Cup/CL 6 times and not 5.

corrected

 

[Elvin]

Barca is the club with most Ballon d'Or wins, they got 12. Real Madrid got 11 Ballon d'Or winners.

Bayern won the European Cup/CL 6 times and not 5.

Also league titles matter a lot too.

 

[BayernFan]

Also league titles matter a lot too.

Yeah.

Try to think about it, Barca had 6 Ballon d’or wins before Messi lol.

Real 6 without Ronaldo.

 

[Siamak]

Yeah.

Try to think about it, Barca had 6 Ballon d’or wins before Messi lol.

Real 6 without Ronaldo.

Maybe because of national competitions

 

[ALC]

@Elvin

Juve has lost 300k insta followers since Ronaldo departure