Cristiano Ronaldo (35 Viewers)

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IlCapitano

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at the time Milan signed Ronaldinho, he also was arguably the greatest player of all time. didn't help them much, did it? Beppe is doing a Galliani, neglecting midfield over forwards for the third summer running and everyone seems to be super happy with it lol
No. He was benched by Riijkard, terrible breakup with his daughter or something, using drugs, etc. You cannot compare Ronaldo to any other player. He's like LeBron James, something you've never seen before, incredible work ethic and dedication and hunger. Unless he breaks a leg or something, he'll be a top 3 players for next 3 years at least. An in Italy where so many guys played in their later 30s.
 

Osman

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at the time Milan signed Ronaldinho, he also was arguably the greatest player of all time. didn't help them much, did it? Beppe is doing a Galliani, neglecting midfield over forwards for the third summer running and everyone seems to be super happy with it lol
What are you kidding? Ronaldinho was thrown out and the whole world knew why, he only cared about parties and not football anymore. He came hangover to practices alot and lost all his explosiveness on sheer laziness.


He was finished, and he was 5 years younger then CR7 is now to boot:


"A perceived lack of dedication in training and a lifestyle of late night partying not befitting of an athlete saw him receive criticism, withCarlo Ancelotti, his coach at Milan in his first season in Italy, commenting, "The decline of Ronaldinho hasn't surprised me. His physical condition has always been very precarious. His talent though has never been in question."[54]




Cristiano is litterally the complete opposite of that. Absolutely dedicated maniac. He is in training facility alone 6 in the morning type of obbsessed super athlete. He trains hard in vacation and honey moon



He has no chill. If he did, he wouldn't won CL top scorer 6 seasons in a row, score 15 cl goals past year, and be one of the most fit athletes right now, in the same age Zidane had already retired in.





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italiacalcio10

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What are you kidding? Ronaldinho was thrown out and the whole world knew why, he only cared about parties and not football anymore. He came hangover to practices alot and lost all his explosiveness on sheer laziness.


He was finished, and he was 5 years younger then CR7 is now to boot:


"A perceived lack of dedication in training and a lifestyle of late night partying not befitting of an athlete saw him receive criticism, withCarlo Ancelotti, his coach at Milan in his first season in Italy, commenting, "The decline of Ronaldinho hasn't surprised me. His physical condition has always been very precarious. His talent though has never been in question."[54]




Cristiano is litterally the complete opposite of that. Absolutely dedicated maniac. He is in training facility alone 6 in the morning type of obbsessed super athlete. He trains hard in vacation and honey moon



He has no chill. If he did, he wouldn't won CL top scorer 6 seasons in a row, score 15 cl goals past year, and be one of the most fit athletes right now, in the same age Zidane had already retired in.





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For those who watch hockey, Cristiano is like Jagr wrt work ethic. That man played well until he was in his early 40s.
 

pitbull

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No, we don't have 300+m to burn. We wouldn't spend this much money on anyone else because no one else guarantees to be a top 2 player in the world for next 2-3 years and no one else is the most popular athlete in the world who will bring in new sponsors, new fans, new dimension to our club.
So how many of the 300+m Juve will be able to get back through new sponsors, fans and dimensions? I somehow cannot see us profiting extra 100m a season solely because of Ronaldo, maybe I'm shortsighted.
 

pitbull

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What are you kidding? Ronaldinho was thrown out and the whole world knew why, he only cared about parties and not football anymore. He came hangover to practices alot and lost all his explosiveness on sheer laziness.


He was finished, and he was 5 years younger then CR7 is now to boot:


"A perceived lack of dedication in training and a lifestyle of late night partying not befitting of an athlete saw him receive criticism, withCarlo Ancelotti, his coach at Milan in his first season in Italy, commenting, "The decline of Ronaldinho hasn't surprised me. His physical condition has always been very precarious. His talent though has never been in question."[54]




Cristiano is litterally the complete opposite of that. Absolutely dedicated maniac. He is in training facility alone 6 in the morning type of obbsessed super athlete. He trains hard in vacation and honey moon



He has no chill. If he did, he wouldn't won CL top scorer 6 seasons in a row, score 15 cl goals past year, and be one of the most fit athletes right now, in the same age Zidane had already retired in.





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I'm not saying Ronaldinho case is similar to Ronaldo, I'm saying "but but he's the GOAT" is a stupid argument, only the future matters, the grass doesn't care what Ronaldo did in his career up till now, he'll decline in his own time like all of them did
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Osman

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For those who watch hockey, Cristiano is like Jagr wrt work ethic. That man played well until he was in his early 40s.
Yeah Jaromir is proper dedicated maniac. Still playing back home too, crazily committed Czech, like our Nedved was too.

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pitbull

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I'm not sure if pitbull is trolling or too thick or just confused about this deal
not trolling, I genuinely don't think he's good enough to warrant that investment, imo not that likely he wins CL with Matuidi-Pjanic-Can midfield. if we invest heavily, I'd like to see us invest in our weak spots not in attack. do you think he guarantees CL even if the midfield is nowhere near Madrids?
 

IlCapitano

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So how many of the 300+m Juve will be able to get back through new sponsors, fans and dimensions? I somehow cannot see us profiting extra 100m a season solely because of Ronaldo, maybe I'm shortsighted.
First of all, it's not 300+ right away. 400 mill will be the final price when it's all over and his contract expires or is extended or sold, whatever, after 4 years. For the first year cost will be 100 million, huge amount. Calcio e finanza, very reputable Italian site that talks about football and finances as name suggests, said it's not completely unbelievable.

We would need to have at least a 30% increase on the commercial side (PSG recorded between 20 and 40 for Neymar), we would need to go further in CL than we did this year, we would need more money from the stadium (ticket prices have increased a lot) and we would need another 45 million from player sales to break even, 25 if we win CL. So, although it will take a lot, it's actually quite possible it happens. Then with a steady increase in future years we would be fine.

Great thing is we're not in any sort of danger from FFP. Last time I read we were 150+ million on the positive side, so we would need to record a 150+ million deficit in the next 3 years to be in danger...
 

s4tch

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not trolling, I genuinely don't think he's good enough to warrant that investment, imo not that likely he wins CL with Matuidi-Pjanic-Can midfield. if we invest heavily, I'd like to see us invest in our weak spots not in attack
as it looks like we won't get an other beast of a midfielder, all eyes will be on emre can. if he can properly do the defensive work khedira is clearly unable to perform, it can be a very strong team. also, chiellini's mindfucks must be reduced to near zero, and we'll have a shot against any team.

just like we had since allegri took over :D
 

pitbull

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First of all, it's not 300+ right away. 400 mill will be the final price when it's all over and his contract expires or is extended or sold, whatever, after 4 years. For the first year cost will be 100 million, huge amount. Calcio e finanza, very reputable Italian site that talks about football and finances as name suggests, said it's not completely unbelievable.

We would need to have at least a 30% increase on the commercial side (PSG recorded between 20 and 40 for Neymar), we would need to go further in CL than we did this year, we would need more money from the stadium (ticket prices have increased a lot) and we would need another 45 million from player sales to break even, 25 if we win CL. So, although it will take a lot, it's actually quite possible it happens. Then with a steady increase in future years we would be fine.

Great thing is we're not in any sort of danger from FFP. Last time I read we were 150+ million on the positive side, so we would need to record a 150+ million deficit in the next 3 years to be in danger...
so basically your estimation is that Ronaldo himself pays off maybe 1/3rd and rest of it is success on the pitch, savings, ticket price increase, inflation etc. not that different from investing elsewhere and buying star names for midfield
 

Osman

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That nonsense doesn't make more sense just because you quote it again. You started the comparison, hence the reply. Ronaldinho was a magician, but also basically done as a top player at 27. And you deemed it fit to warn us CR about peril of signing him by mentioning a fatter party crazed Ronnie who liked nose candy bit too much.



The same CR who is basically gonna win his 6th Balon d or at 33?




And when it's pointed out to you that they are in different ends of the spectrum athletic professionalism, your reply is anything can happen in the future? Duh.

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pitbull

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as it looks like we won't get an other beast of a midfielder, all eyes will be on emre can. if he can properly do the defensive work khedira is clearly unable to perform, it can be a very strong team. also, chiellini's mindfucks must be reduced to near zero, and we'll have a shot against any team.

just like we had since allegri took over :D
yeah, but this time we're going crazy with an investment that will have it's toll on us for years to come, it's a rich mans Higuain scenario :D

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That nonsense doesn't make more sense just because you quote it again. You started the comparison, hence the reply. Ronaldinho was a magician, but also basically done as a top player at 27. And you deemed it fit to warn us CR about peril of signing him by mentioning a fatter party crazed Ronnie who liked nose candy bit too much.



The same CR who is basically gonna win his 6th Balon d or at 33?




And when it's pointed out to you that they are in different ends of the spectrum athletic professionalism, your reply is anything can happen in the future? Duh.

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you obviously didn't read the post I was responding to. post was "Pogba and Kante are scrubs, Ronaldo is a goat :rofl:" or something like that. my point wasn't that Ronaldo will decline similarly to Ronaldinho, my point was being a GOAT doesn't guarantee anything going forward, Ronaldo at Juve doesn't get a handicap for past achievements
 

IlCapitano

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Dec 16, 2012
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so basically your estimation is that Ronaldo himself pays off maybe 1/3rd and rest of it is success on the pitch, savings, ticket price increase, inflation etc. not that different from investing elsewhere and buying star names for midfield
It's not my estimation, those are rough numbers by a reputable site that deals with finances.

When you look at it, most of those are quite likely. Our commercial side increased by 17% last year just because of the logo. This would be THE MOST POPULAR athlete in the world. Every single corner of the world that has a TV knows who CR is. He brings new fans, tourists to the stadium, new sponsors. I don't think people realize how big this would be. I didn't realize it myself until I delved more into it.

The biggest transfer in history of Juventus, probably Italy too.
 

Osman

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not trolling, I genuinely don't think he's good enough to warrant that investment, imo not that likely he wins CL with Matuidi-Pjanic-Can midfield. if we invest heavily, I'd like to see us invest in our weak spots not in attack. do you think he guarantees CL even if the midfield is nowhere near Madrids?
No one guarantees CL alone. But on the pitch impact and the off the pitch one would be unprecedented level of impact. Only downside to this signing is gonna be a short term solution of 3 years, but he is 3 times the player of anyone we can get in midfield. And essentially carries you to the threshold of ultimate success, at his worst past decade he has been the 2nd best player in the world. That's his level, so let's not pretend our attack was fine, no it wasn't if the upgrade is the most lethal player in the game, and in historical levels.

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pitbull

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No one guarantees CL alone. But on the pitch impact and the off the pitch one would be unprecedented level of impact. Only downside to this signing is gonna be a short term solution of 3 years, but he is 3 times the player of anyone we can get in midfield. And essentially carries you to the threshold of ultimate success, at his worst past decade he has been the 2nd best player in the world. That's his level, so let's not pretend our attack was fine, no it wasn't if the upgrade is the most lethal player in the game, and in historical levels.

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and costs 3 times more than any mid in the world and has no resale value. btw I disagree, I don't think Ronaldo's impact on pitch will be that big with Juve's playing style, what type of chances will we feed him? it's not like Higuain or Dybala are crappy finishers, how much wondergoals and added-clinicality-goals do you expect Ronaldo to score?
 

Snobist

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Juve are contemplating between two offers for Ronaldo.

€100mill

OR

€120mill & Sturaro.

Currently the second option is the one favoured the most by the Juve board

 
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