Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player in the World (12 Viewers)

Bozi

The Bozman
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Oct 18, 2005
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all right i thought that you were meaning that people didnt give him credit for this game, my mistake. for the record ronaldo is the most in-form player in the world right now, but if you ask me who i think is the better player i would opt for kaka. however, i still think ronaldo is sensational and if he could end the showboating he is prone to and concentrate solely on an end product he could become a legend
 

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denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
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I dont mind the showboating, football is an entertainment and people are trying to take out the fun of it. Like booking aplayer for celebrating a goal is the most stupid thing ever. I would rather his showboating to diving or exaggerated falls.
Well you have your opinion and youare totally entitled to it but I will take Ronaldo and Messi over kaka simply because when they are on their games, they are more elusive than kaka with the ball. kaka is best at making the simple things more effective but Ronaldo when he is on fire is almost unstoppable legally
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Let's not kid ourselves in forgetting that football, as a sport, is entertainment. It competes for the same consumer dollars and funding for sponsorships as movies, TV, and other forms of celebrity entertainment. You can have the sports page in any given newspaper. But when it comes down to news, the latest newspaper drama about Rio Ferdinand's fitness is little different than coverage of Britney Spears' latest drunken fall down stairs.

So denco is totally right. Some people may hate the showboating, but there is an element of fun and entertainment that keeps the game alive among fans that's absolutely necessary for the game's survival and relevancy -- despite what two seasons under Capello might lead you to believe.

This season, I'd still take Ronaldo over Kaká if I was fielding a team...even if Kaká is clearly making his MVP case in matches as critical as the CL. There's still three games left, and a lot can happen in England in the remaining season. But Ronaldo just had one of those years that players may never live up to again in their careers. Kaká's are coming as well. We'll ultimately find out in the future.
 

peckface

approaching curve
Oct 3, 2004
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And i suppose VDS couldnot have done better with kaka's first goal and the second goal had no errors attached to it? This is exactly what I am talking about , analysing withheart and not head
VDS balanced on the wrong foot in the first goal, the second he can't be blamed for.

Rooney played with heart, Nesta with the head and Dida with the nerves. Little more head and little less nerves from Dida and the first and third goal could have been prevented. Nesta certainly can't be blamed for any of the goals. That post was meant to say just that.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,511
Let's not kid ourselves in forgetting that football, as a sport, is entertainment. It competes for the same consumer dollars and funding for sponsorships as movies, TV, and other forms of celebrity entertainment. You can have the sports page in any given newspaper. But when it comes down to news, the latest newspaper drama about Rio Ferdinand's fitness is little different than coverage of Britney Spears' latest drunken fall down stairs.

So denco is totally right. Some people may hate the showboating, but there is an element of fun and entertainment that keeps the game alive among fans that's absolutely necessary for the game's survival and relevancy -- despite what two seasons under Capello might lead you to believe.

This season, I'd still take Ronaldo over Kaká if I was fielding a team...even if Kaká is clearly making his MVP case in matches as critical as the CL. There's still three games left, and a lot can happen in England in the remaining season. But Ronaldo just had one of those years that players may never live up to again in their careers. Kaká's are coming as well. We'll ultimately find out in the future.
:agree: Future will definitly show us who is the better player. But at the time Ronaldo is better.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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VDS balanced on the wrong foot in the first goal, the second he can't be blamed for.

Rooney played with heart, Nesta with the head and Dida with the nerves. Little more head and little less nerves from Dida and the first and third goal could have been prevented. Nesta certainly can't be blamed for any of the goals. That post was meant to say just that.
Whenever anyone says wrong , it means someone has made a mistake, so your putting wrong in your statement validates my point that a mistake was made for that goal and that is my point. The second goal had nothing to do with vds but it was an error by Evra and heinze so again it was an error as well. Please guys be objective in your criticism and praise of individuals and teams and not just because you prefer 1 to the other based on bias. If Ronaldo was playing for Juve, he would easily be classified as best in the world on here and completely be ignored in England
 

peckface

approaching curve
Oct 3, 2004
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What I meant was, neither of the United goals were Nesta's fault.

The reason I wrote "balanced on the wrong foot" means exactly what you said, he made a mistake. It wasn't a cheap way to say it in other words as you think. Yes the second was Evra's fault, he thought he could cut Kaká out but came in to late.

I'm not trying to justify the Kaká goals, nor saying the Uniteds goal shouldn't have gone in. Just saying neither of United goals were Nesta's fault. Nothing to do with being objective or what not.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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What I meant was, neither of the United goals were Nesta's fault.

The reason I wrote "balanced on the wrong foot" means exactly what you said, he made a mistake. It wasn't a cheap way to say it in other words as you think. Yes the second was Evra's fault, he thought he could cut Kaká out but came in to late.

I'm not trying to justify the Kaká goals, nor saying the Uniteds goal shouldn't have gone in. Just saying neither of United goals were Nesta's fault. Nothing to do with being objective or what not.
I am getting confused what has Nesta go to do with anything? I was making a point about the 5 goals that were scored and how some people kept on saying Rooney was owned in a game he scored twice whist the same ppl were saying Kaka showed he was better than Ronaldo becos he scored twice. They went on to belittle Rooney's goals saying they were mistakes by Milan's defence but avoided to point out that both kaka's goals were avoidable as well. Thats what i meant by be objective. If you are gonna praise kaka for scoring twice in such an important game then you also have to praise Rooney for scoring twice in that game too.
I also get annoyed whislt watching football on sky and whenever someone not in the Epl scores a very good goal, the so called pundits will always try and blame the defending but if it was someone from the EPl especially if he is an England international, all they talk about is how good the goal was, its got nothing to do with the quality of opposition on non existent defending. Its just vexing when people cannot be objective in all cases and treat everyone the same way
 

peckface

approaching curve
Oct 3, 2004
2,357
You first commented on this post:
I wouldn't say he "escaped Nesta's attention twice". On the scholes flick Nesta got some toe on it, sadly it went Rooneys way. On the final goal Nesta clearly marked he was going to push Rooney left, if Dida just had ANY sense of positioning that shot wouldn't have been a problem.

The first United goal was Dida's, the second was brilliant with a whole lot of luck in it and the third was again, Dida's fault. Brilliant by Rooney though, but he did everything but outsmart Nesta. Not that 3-2 was unfair, it 100% was (fair).
My point was Nesta didn't make a mistake. But no, I do not believe it takes a mastermind to score Rooneys goals, he made nice runs though, but I'd rather give the credit to Scholes and Giggs.

BTW does everyone have problems with the site?
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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seriously look at the positioning from Dida, that's just awful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arUqwS4yV4c
But Dida is not a goal keeper, he is like a barman or something. I never said Rooney's goals were anything special, and at no time did i say they were not borne out of errors, all i was trying to pint out was that in this forum and in too many outlets, excuses are always given for 1 person and the same excuse is not afforded to others because mainly of bias. My point is that how people can say Rooney was owned when he scored 2 goals in a match, neither of which was from set play like free kick or penalty. If he was owned then what exactly happened to Gilardino? If you ask me who came out on top within the duel of Rooney and Nesta, Id say Nesta but he didn't own him at all
 

peckface

approaching curve
Oct 3, 2004
2,357
I see were you coming from, and I second it. None can say Rooney should have stayed at home, 2 goals in a CL semifinal is great no matter how they are scored. I just don't see how he "escaped Nesta´s attention twice" as M.A.R.K put it.

As for Gilardino, if I didn't see the lineups before the game I wouldn't have known he was on the pitch. :)
 

Cuti

The Real MC
Jul 30, 2006
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Sheva: Kaká better than Ronaldo
Friday 27 April, 2007
Chelsea striker Andriy Shevchenko says he believes former Milan teammate Kaká is stronger than Cristiano Ronaldo.

The Brazilian and Portuguese stars met in the Champions League tie at Old Trafford on Tuesday and Shevchenko had no doubts when asked which of the two players he prefers.

"Kaká is the strongest player in the world," said the Ukraine captain in an interview to La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“He deserves the Golden Ball and I am certain he will win it soon, if not this time maybe in the near future,” added the former Rossonero, who joined the Blues in a £30m move last summer.

Sheva also believes Milan can reach the Athens Final, despite the 3-2 defeat suffered against the Red Devils in the first leg of the semi-final.

“Milan played exceptional football in the first half and were limited by the injuries to Gennaro Gattuso and Paolo Maldini,” explained the Ukrainian.

“They always play open football and in the Champions League they have played better. Milan have what it takes to progress to the Final.”

Chelsea played the other semi-final against Liverpool on Wednesday, obtaining a 1-0 victory at Stamford Bridge, and Sheva admits that meeting Milan in the May 23 Final would not be easy for him.

“I don’t want to think about it. There are still games to play before the Final,” said the 30-year-old.

“Of course, for me it would be a thrilling evening because Milan are not only my former team but a family, a part of my life,” concluded the 2004 Ballon d’Or winner.
 

Marceℓℓo

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Mar 16, 2007
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Sheva: Kaká better than Ronaldo
Friday 27 April, 2007
Chelsea striker Andriy Shevchenko says he believes former Milan teammate Kaká is stronger than Cristiano Ronaldo.

The Brazilian and Portuguese stars met in the Champions League tie at Old Trafford on Tuesday and Shevchenko had no doubts when asked which of the two players he prefers.

"Kaká is the strongest player in the world," said the Ukraine captain in an interview to La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“He deserves the Golden Ball and I am certain he will win it soon, if not this time maybe in the near future,” added the former Rossonero, who joined the Blues in a £30m move last summer.

Sheva also believes Milan can reach the Athens Final, despite the 3-2 defeat suffered against the Red Devils in the first leg of the semi-final.

“Milan played exceptional football in the first half and were limited by the injuries to Gennaro Gattuso and Paolo Maldini,” explained the Ukrainian.

“They always play open football and in the Champions League they have played better. Milan have what it takes to progress to the Final.”

Chelsea played the other semi-final against Liverpool on Wednesday, obtaining a 1-0 victory at Stamford Bridge, and Sheva admits that meeting Milan in the May 23 Final would not be easy for him.

“I don’t want to think about it. There are still games to play before the Final,” said the 30-year-old.

“Of course, for me it would be a thrilling evening because Milan are not only my former team but a family, a part of my life,” concluded the 2004 Ballon d’Or winner.

Agree that Kaká is better than C.Ronaldo although I think they are totally different type of players and they shouldn't be compared.
 

Ascension

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2005
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I can understand why Sheva would compliment Kaka, his former teammate (probably friend too). Afterall he still loves Milan which is understandable considering all his good memories with them.

But this season Cristiano Ronaldo has been the best player in the world. Don't get me wrong - Kaka has been amazing too. But Ronaldo's light has shun brighter than all the other lights this season.
 

zZ[-_-]Zz

¤ Il Divin Codino ¤
Apr 25, 2007
152
lolz... please don't take what Shevchenko said seriously... he told Milan fans that he will follow Baresi & Maldini & end his career in Milan... a few months later... he leaves them because he wants to learn English as only by speakin' English can he show that he loves his kids...
 

Jun-hide

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2002
2,068
But Dida is not a goal keeper, he is like a barman or something. I never said Rooney's goals were anything special, and at no time did i say they were not borne out of errors, all i was trying to pint out was that in this forum and in too many outlets, excuses are always given for 1 person and the same excuse is not afforded to others because mainly of bias. My point is that how people can say Rooney was owned when he scored 2 goals in a match, neither of which was from set play like free kick or penalty. If he was owned then what exactly happened to Gilardino? If you ask me who came out on top within the duel of Rooney and Nesta, Id say Nesta but he didn't own him at all
I sense that you are inferring me from the above post, so I wil clarify my position.

Firstly, I have never used 2 goals to justify that Kaka is better than Ronaldo (Maybe by memory is a bit blurred with drink right now). I cannot be sure as to who are actually better. In anycase, I love watching both players, though given Kaka's well known humility, grace, and other "personal attributes" I would be lying if I did not say I favour Kaka more than Ronaldo. Beside, Kaka's performance against ManUre was more than just two goals. Kaka was simply amazing picking places between ManU backline and their midfield. He also carried ball a lot thereby relieving pressure on his teammates, and at the same giving constant reminders to United backline of his presence. In contrast, Rooney was pretty much anonymous for the majority of the match despite his endeavor. There is profound difference between two players general performances beside goals.

In my humble opinion, Kaka doesn't quite get the respect he deserve because of his general lack of entertainment in comparison to dancing players circulating in modern game. The manner in which he receives balls, and lays his first touch is totally unbelievable. I would tell local young boys training to watch Kaka's tape and disect his game. There was at least 4-5 occasions, where Kaka gave little feint or two before receiving the ball, which allowed to create half yard space to receive and keep the possession. No one in the world is effective as Kaka in terms of receiving the ball, and distributing it out of his feet. If you are talking about being elusive with ball, well Kaka is certainly not on the level of Ronaldo, but that would be his teammate in prime, but Christiano. Kaka at this stage of career is IMO is more technically refined than Ronaldo. Not when I have yet to see a guy who can dribble so fast without watching ball a single time through the motion. I like Christiano, I think he can so much in little aspect, that will inevitably make him greater player than Kaka is now in the future. But Kaka is a well matured wine that is ready to be opened up. Ronaldo has yet to achieve his maturity but could be even better.

Secondly, I do not hate Rooney at all. You are misunderstanding my EPL bias here. I have actually defened him in the past when people were using his CL goal record, and poor run of form, to criticise him heavily. I think Rooney is one of few honest players circulating the game, and I appreciate him for not diving every challenges that come in. The thing I hate is the hype that comes and goes with goals. If Dida had any sense of where he was standing at, and prevented that goal, then we would be speaking of relatively poor performance marked by one goal. But given the context in which the third was scored, suddenly Rooney becomes the best thing to be born after Jesus Christ. Judging from his overall performance, I don't think Nesta will be loosing sleep from playing Rooney, moreover, I can't see Milan adjust their game plan to make him less effective. The players who makes others adjust their game plan are the ones, IMHO, the really great ones. Bayern were scared living hell out of Kaka so put Owen Hargreaves (who I also like a lot btw), and Lucio on alert. Milan was scared of Ronaldo's pace so much that they literally gave inside cut to prevent him from causing havoc in their defence. That means lesser likes like Pirlo (1st leg in Milan), Seedorf (2nd le), and Scholes (the tie) to shine through. The matter of fact is Rooney is not getting those respect by opposition.
 

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