Cristiano Giuntoli (93 Viewers)

[Robee]

Allegri also wanted 2 quality players last january

He got one whose name I can't remember. What a waste.

This our third “clean slate, year 1” in 5 years.

It is... But why don't we stop living in the past? There's a whole new management in place and we've very clearly moved in a completely different direction; trimming the costs and the average age. So what use is looking further back?

 

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[Bianconero_Aus]

He got one whose name I can't remember. What a waste.

It is... But why don't we stop living in the past? There's a whole new management in place and we've very clearly moved in a completely different direction; trimming the costs and the average age. So what use is looking further back?

The problem is this management is making a lot of the same mistakes the previous one is making. The only good thing I can see (so far) is the wage bill is a bit lower. But we’ve still spent over 200m and haven’t had much to show for it with half a season gone.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

What u want ? We ask for a better rate than 50 percent win rate. No one asked to win every single game. 50 percent win rate that’s it. And so far we get attacked for it

We get attacked for questioning why a goalie was more important to get when the club had no fullbacks and back up striker

But you people keep gaslighting saying everting is ok

Where have I done such things sir? And it would seem most of the forum agrees with you anyway. I would've went with other options over another goalkeeper for sure, but it's done now and that's it. In the scope of one year yes it looks horrendous. Now lets say that the board have come to an agreement at the start to give Giuntoli and Motta x amount of years to try to build something here within certain parameters, then it MAYBE just MIGHT turn out to be ok. Is this the case? Who knows!

But you know me babycakes, I don't judge

We are Juventus and not a mid-table club (well historically) unfortunately the fans won’t accept transition years, clean slates, year zeroes…rightly or wrongly, big clubs all over the world sack coaches and become ruthless when things aren’t going well. Accepting mediocrity for the long term eventually poisons a club and it becomes extremely hard to get out of the rut once you’re in it.

To me, no offense, but this is the most meaningless statement that is repeated around this forum. Lets remember, this is a global business. Boeing is BOEING too, Intel is INTEL, but that doesn't seem to help them much right now. We can accept or reject whatever we want, but there's literally nothing that we can do to change any of it, this is reality. Constantly changing things every year is not a recipe for growth or success in the longterm unless by some miracle you manage to strike gold, that's a fact. We managed to somehow do it once where literally all the pieces fell into place, and to illustrate how delicate that really was you can look to how some of those pieces became absolutely vilied as soon as they fell slightly out of place.

On a personal level, I've been at my current company for a little over 3 years now. In that time, we've had maybe 3 or 4 CEOS if you could believe that. I'll let you guess at how this company is doing

 

[Robee]

The problem is this management is making a lot of the same mistakes the previous one is making. The only good thing I can see (so far) is the wage bill is a bit lower. But we’ve still spent over 200m and haven’t had much to show for it with half a season gone.

A lot of them? Which ones?

We have spent around 60m when counting in and outs.... And we've brought down the wage bill more than 60m so that 200m is a useless arguement in itself since we've basically spent jack shit.

I get people criticising if they actually think we had 200m in the bank to spend but we didn't. That is wrong on every level. We had to sell and let go some important players to get to this reform.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Secco > Bumtoli

I don't know if you're saying this as a joke or not, but so far it's absolutely true.

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[JCK]

A lot of them? Which ones?

We have spent around 60m when counting in and outs.... And we've brought down the wage bill more than 60m so that 200m is a useless arguement in itself since we've basically spent jack shit.

I get people criticising if they actually think we had 200m in the bank to spend but we didn't. That is wrong on every level. We had to sell and let go some important players to get to this reform.

@Bianconero_Aus they do buy the shit Junktoli sells. They do!

 

[Robee]

@Bianconero_Aus they do buy the shit Junktoli sells. They do!

Since you can't deny simple math, try and answer the other unanswered questions maybe. I'm curious which mistakes this management and the last ones have in common.

I don't think the absent sponsor, heavy trimming of the squad, etc. were things we did before.

 

[Amer]

I don't know if you're saying this as a joke or not, but so far it's absolutely true.

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Agreed.

Luiz = Melo
Koop = Diego
Nico = Amauri

And so on.

 

[Zzak]

Koop is class, just didn't have the greatest of starts

 

[JCK]

Since you can't deny simple math, try and answer the other unanswered questions maybe. I'm curious which mistakes this management and the last ones have in common.

I don't think the absent sponsor, heavy trimming of the squad, etc. were things we did before.

@Bianconero_Aus the etcetera there is quite a long list of great things. The attention to details

 

[Robee]

@Bianconero_Aus the etcetera there is quite a long list of great things. The attention to details

I'm still waiting to here one (not completely unbased arguement like the invisible 200m) of those things of the endless list. Be my guest, we're far from faultless but took a U-turn in policy so I'm curious.

 

[JCK]

I'm still waiting to here one (not completely unbased arguement like the invisible 200m) of those things of the endless list. Be my guest, we're far from faultless but took a U-turn in policy so I'm curious.

Only one? OK, I'll humor you.

Buying random expensive players that do not meet the needs of the coach. While at the same time selling forced to finance these moves.

I will give you another one just because I feel good today. Setting wrong priorities for the order of which positions to buy first.

That's enough, you can can figure out the rest. You actually know them. You even defended the previous managementS like you do now.

 

[icemaη]

Allegri also wanted 2 quality players last january

Are you saying Timmy and that dude whose clause was a bazillion dollars were not class?

 

[JCK]

Are you saying Timmy and that dude whose clause was a bazillion dollars were not class?

Alcatraz? La creme de la creme of the Junktoli deals

 

[Robee]

Only one? OK, I'll humor you.

Buying random expensive players that do not meet the needs of the coach. While at the same time selling forced to finance these moves.

I will give you another one just because I feel good today. Setting wrong priorities for the order of which positions to buy first.

That's enough, you can can figure out the rest. You actually know them. You even defended the previous managementS like you do now.

Who was bought randomly? Maybe Douglas Luiz because of plusvalenza but we were also trying to overhaul our midfield, so don't know for sure. For now, he's a failure too so I'll give you that one. Wouldn't call one wrong incoming transfer a continuous error 'though.

Our sales were obviously thought through; young guys that were barely good enough and delivered cold hard cash or players that were too expensive like Chiesa.

Priorities wrong? I'd argue financial stability should always be priority #1. I don't know if you follow the stock market but it has been going up all season since it's obvious in the long run this is the right way. So I'm still waiting for an actual continuous error.

And nope; I didn't. I was all over Paratici but you're forcing just to make a non-existent point. I even said any coach would fail with our crookedly built squad...

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Agreed.

Luiz = Melo
Koop = Diego
Nico = Amauri

And so on.

Nah. I'll never judge directors on individual transfers. It's a big picture thing, really.

But look at Giuntoli's "achievements" over the first 17 or 18 months:

- Instead of simply ending the collaboration & firing him, he basically boycotted one of the most succesful managers we ever had. Disgraceful stuff.
- When dealing with his own players, conflict seems his only working method. Look at how the Chiesa situation was dealt with, look at McKennie. You've got Arthur who's still on the payroll. Etc.
- You can debate the quality of the players he signed. What you can not debate is that our squad is too small & extremely unbalanced. (And yes, he did too much, too late.)
- Lowered the average age of the squad & its wage bill. While this is obviously very positive, it remains to be seen how positive it will be in the end. I mean, make me director & I could guarantee you a squad with an average of 19 years old & an entire wage bill of 200k. Minor remark: we'll get relegated, but hey, look at how young & cheap we are!

 

[Alen]

- Lowered the average age of the squad & its wage bill. While this is obviously very positive, it remains to be seen how positive it will be in the end. I mean, make me director & I could guarantee you a squad with an average of 19 years old & an entire wage bill of 200k. Minor remark: we'll get relegated, but hey, look at how young & cheap we are!

Yeah, I can't be excited about the "youngest ever Juve", when it's gonna cost us a top 4 finish.
I can't be excited about "but we're gonna sell these youngsters and remain financially stable", when we're gonna miss the CL and lose as much or even more than we'll receive from selling the next gen kids.

 

[Vlad]

- Instead of simply ending the collaboration & firing him, he basically boycotted one of the most succesful managers we ever had. Disgraceful stuff.

I do want current management to succeed but I will never forget or forgive this and part of me wants to punch him. Disgraceful stuff indeed. He basically sabotaged last year. You could tell something was off in the 2nd part of the season, the way we were in free fall after competing for the title, looking like a genuine contenders for most of the 1st part of the season. Broken relations between these 2 transmitted to our performances on the field.

 

[juve123]

I do want current management to succeed but I will never forget or forgive this and part of me wants to punch him. Disgraceful stuff indeed. He basically sabotaged last year. You could tell something was off in the 2nd part of the season, the way we were in free fall after competing for the title, looking like a genuine contenders for most of the 1st part of the season. Broken relations between these 2 transmitted to our performances on the field.

Do you think Giuntoli lied to Allegri about the contract renewal situation?

 

[Amer]

Here's the most pessimistic thought you'll see here today. Sorry guys but someone has to hit you with pure truth.

Giuntoli or no Giuntoli, nothing will change in the club until Elkanns get more involved or Agnelli comes back.