Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (17 Viewers)

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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A very informative clip.

Here are the main points:

1. A study from South Korea shows that there are no reinfections just false positive results from unactive virus fragmetns.
2. It looks like hydroxychloroquine works great as a preventative and early medicine.
3. Covid-19 is a blood clotting disease and needs to be treated with blood thinners.
Sorry for being impolite, but I have many issues with your video.
First and foremost is the conspiratorial angle the video takes.
Secondly, there is no scientific consensus for hydroxychloroquine being an effective treatment. One of the main proponents of this idea is Didier Raoult, a controversial French physician whose study involved 24 patients.
The video mentions the NIH’s. recommendation of Remdisvir as a treatment as controversial because of vested interests of some of the members of its coronavirus panel, but failed to mention that Sanofi commercially exploited the study conducted by Dr Raoult. Now I’m not saying one drug is better than the other, I’m sure pharma companies have a lot riding on this, but I’d rather wait for widespread scientific consensus drawn from extensive double blind clinical trials.
Finally, calling the coronavirus ‘a blood Clothing disease’ is just incorrect. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease. Blood clotting is just one of the consequences of the disease that happens in some patients.
And yes, I did not watch the entire video, but I did read all the links posted in the video description.
It’s important to take everything with a grain of salt, especially in this instance where no one knows many things pertaining to the coronavirus. Treating a YouTube video (The channel isn’t even a medical channel) as a fact source is dangerous. I’m sorry you see this as a personal attack.
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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A very informative clip.

Here are the main points:

1. A study from South Korea shows that there are no reinfections just false positive results from unactive virus fragmetns.
2. It looks like hydroxychloroquine works great as a preventative and early medicine.
3. Covid-19 is a blood clotting disease and needs to be treated with blood thinners.
Any side effects to hydroxychloroquine?


Good chance big southern cities esp Atlanta will get hit hard in a couple of weeks. Hope I'm wrong.

Only third of the people going in and out of stores here have a face covering on. Hispanic part of town became an epicenter.
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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About point 2 - I'm quoting the last paragraph from the italian newspaper:
Out of an audience of 65,000 chronic patients (Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis) who systematically take Plaquenil / hydroxychloroquine, only 20 patients tested positive for the virus. Nobody died, nobody is in intensive care, according to the data collected so far.
This is pretty amazing. If Italian sources are telling the truth.

About point 3 - This is a very respected source - critical care specialist Roger Seheult, MD


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No problem about that. I'm the stupid one expecting manners from the internet.
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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Any side effects to hydroxychloroquine?
Yes, but it's hard to tell how much of them are overblown due to political reasons, because every year millions of people are taking this drug for Lupus, Malaria, Rheumatoid Arthritis and other illnesses and it appears that side effects aren't stopping them.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Texas shelter in place order expired today, and businesses are allowed to open at 25% capacity.

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JuveJay

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Our medical guy just confirmed again in the live conference that for some reason there was a disproportionate amount of black and ethnic minority people suffering from worse symptoms, intensive care etc than the rest of the population. Clearly genes do play some part in this.

If I was BEM working in a hospital right now I'd be shitting myself, have to be honest. I know there is a large proportion of the staff who are, but in the paper they print the names each day of hospital staff who have died recently, and so many of them are either African or Asian names.
 
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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Saw in other sources this week that it looks to be an endothelial disease (leads to blood clots) that gains access via the mucus membranes and lungs
There was an article from New York about this. An uptick in people having brain blood clots leading to strokes due to covid-19. The article was about how this type of stroke is rarely, if ever, seen in patients under 70, but they’ve seen a number of cases now of younger people having them. Still made it sound like it was a minority of patients that are dying due to these clotting issues and for the majority it is still a respiratory disease with pneumonia complications being the cause of death.

Found an article referencing Netherlands and France data. 30-70% developing clotting somewhere in the body. 1 in 4 develop a pulmonary embolism or clotting in the lungs. https://theconversation.com/people-...-and-strokes-heres-what-we-know-so-far-137304
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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It's incredible how corona made such a huge impact on peoples mindset. Everyone is so fucking scared. I get that you should be cautious but is this just insane.
What insane things are people in your town doing?

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There was an article from New York about this. An uptick in people having brain blood clots leading to strokes due to covid-19. The article was about how this type of stroke is rarely, if ever, seen in patients under 70, but they’ve seen a number of cases now of younger people having them. Still made it sound like it was a minority of patients that are dying due to these clotting issues and for the majority it is still a respiratory disease with pneumonia complications being the cause of death.

Found an article referencing Netherlands and France data. 30-70% developing clotting somewhere in the body. 1 in 4 develop a pulmonary embolism or clotting in the lungs. https://theconversation.com/people-...-and-strokes-heres-what-we-know-so-far-137304
Trump to mention and his followers to hoard aspirin anytime now
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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What insane things are people in your town doing?
Being scared to death if somebody sneezes or coughs in a radius of 2kms.
Sit at home 100% of the time, being afraid to peak outside of their window
Talk stupid shit because majority of the people can't recognize fake news and stupid blogs that everyone owns
Spend all the time feeding their fear and overloading themselves with information, making them think they are doctors

And list goes on and on.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-...01-20-intl/h_fad60670dfb1848fc45fce94bdb6054a

The only way to combat coronavirus is to bring down new infections and conduct contact tracing, Germany's four top medical research societies said in a rare joint statement.

Trying to achieve “herd immunity” is bound to fail, said the statement by the Leibniz Association, Helmholtz Association, the Fraunhofer Society, and the Max Planck Society.


:boh:
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-...01-20-intl/h_fad60670dfb1848fc45fce94bdb6054a

The only way to combat coronavirus is to bring down new infections and conduct contact tracing, Germany's four top medical research societies said in a rare joint statement.

Trying to achieve “herd immunity” is bound to fail, said the statement by the Leibniz Association, Helmholtz Association, the Fraunhofer Society, and the Max Planck Society.

:boh:
Seems that they (including the Robert Koch Institute) can say whatever they want, Economy has the last say.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Seems that they (including the Robert Koch Institute) can say whatever they want, Economy has the last say.
The economy saves lives too. At some point people are unable to afford basic healthcare and they get into trouble later on. This isn't black and white.

That being said we had two months of lockdowns and now we're getting out of them with no plan at all and very little knowledge about the virus.

I've been against the lockdowns from day one, because I didn't believe them to be sustainable.

But imagine we come out of them and people start getting sick again. It would be a nightmare, socially and economically.

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