Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (195 Viewers)

[IliveForJuve]

Was your country under lockdown? You are a slave.

Bring thankful for govt mandated vacation time is like being thankful for free internet and spotify at a gulag.

I'm thankful that my country went under lockdown because it lowered the chances of my pops getting the 'rona and dying.

I'm pissed that it affected my business and my income but it was a price worth paying to me.

In my eyes, anyone that can't take a random Tuesday off without asking someone else for their permission is a slave. Doesn't matter if the vacations days are mandated by law or not.

But it's naive to think most employers will give you a humane amount of vacation time out of kindness (even if you're providing value as an employee). We are greedy creatures.

Law mandated vacations are just a reflection of the social contract in countries that value happiness.

 

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[Dostoevsky]

@JuveJay wait so you guys are getting passports/application which will allow you not only to travel, but only those who took the vaccine will be able to attend matches, bars, cinemas, night clubs?

this shit is getting really scary. Another way to divide people and classify them in the hierarchy. People are really sick but not from covid only, mentally too.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Could be worse.

They could send non vaccinated people a badge to put onto their jackets so everyone knows @lgorTudor

 

[lgorTudor]

Could be worse.

They could send non vaccinated people a badge to put onto their jackets so everyone knows @lgorTudor

I think we're only a few months away from that

 

[Dostoevsky]

Could be worse.

They could send non vaccinated people a badge to put onto their jackets so everyone knows @lgorTudor

Or am armband.

Oh wait.

 

[Enron]

Could be worse.

They could send non vaccinated people a badge to put onto their jackets so everyone knows @lgorTudor

we could build them special places to work and live. Away from everyone else. So much fun, can you imagine? It’ll be a gas!

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Here's my experience with the second vaccination, though it has been told countless times by countless amounts of people .

Around 10 hours after the time of vaccination, I began experiencing chills. Within the next hour, they became pretty extreme. I felt like I had a fever, some nausea, and pretty bad neck and head pain. My arm was John McCain level, I couldn't even lift it. Couldn't sleep at all, so I got up, took some tylenol and tried to eat some ice, which made me feel well enough to sleep for exactly as long as the tylenol was supposed to last. The next morning I was completely exhausted and still felt terrible, but still couldn't sleep. It was a weird feeling, basically if I wanted to get up I had to plan it 5 minutes in advance to mentally and physically prepare myself. Took more tylenol and within the hour felt mostly like I just had a really bad cold. Woke up this morning and I now feel completely fine, roughly 24 hours after symptom onset.

I know 4 others that got the second dose the same day as me. 3 just had some chills and feelings of malaise for a night and were fine, 1 was like me. All were moderna, as was mine.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Good luck @Bjerknes lol

 

[lgorTudor]

Here's my experience with the second vaccination, though it has been told countless times by countless amounts of people .

Around 10 hours after the time of vaccination, I began experiencing chills. Within the next hour, they became pretty extreme. I felt like I had a fever, some nausea, and pretty bad neck and head pain. My arm was John McCain level, I couldn't even lift it. Couldn't sleep at all, so I got up, took some tylenol and tried to eat some ice, which made me feel well enough to sleep for exactly as long as the tylenol was supposed to last. The next morning I was completely exhausted and still felt terrible, but still couldn't sleep. It was a weird feeling, basically if I wanted to get up I had to plan it 5 minutes in advance to mentally and physically prepare myself. Took more tylenol and within the hour felt mostly like I just had a really bad cold. Woke up this morning and I now feel completely fine, roughly 24 hours after symptom onset.

I know 4 others that got the second dose the same day as me. 3 just had some chills and feelings of malaise for a night and were fine, 1 was like me. All were moderna, as was mine.

Oh shit

a literal horror cocktail

 

[Bjerknes]

Good luck @Bjerknes lol

Might as well just kill myself

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13 months into the pandemic still going to restaurants and having dinner parties and the like and the only time I end up feeling sick at all is getting a fucking vaccine.

 

[Enron]

Might as well just kill myself

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13 months into the pandemic still going to restaurants and having dinner parties and the like and the only time I end up feeling sick at all is getting a fucking vaccine.

that was the plan all along

 

[JuveJay]

@JuveJay wait so you guys are getting passports/application which will allow you not only to travel, but only those who took the vaccine will be able to attend matches, bars, cinemas, night clubs?

this shit is getting really scary. Another way to divide people and classify them in the hierarchy. People are really sick but not from covid only, mentally too.

It's only a way to blackmail people under 40 who don't want it. I know several people who wouldn't have had it but being able to go to pubs and on holiday is the only reason they have. Even a relative of a friend who is an anti-vaxxer had it so he could travel. Probably says more about him and how flimsy his beliefs are more than anything else.

I don't see what it has to do with hierarchy or division tbh. You don't have it you don't get to mingle in enclosed spaces with other people, seems fair for the time being. The train for herd immunity and letting people do what they want has long left the station, the government made a decision and has to stick with it now.

 

[Dostoevsky]

It's only a way to blackmail people under 40 who don't want it. I know several people who wouldn't have had it but being able to go to pubs and on holiday is the only reason they have. Even a relative of a friend who is an anti-vaxxer had it so he could travel. Probably says more about him and how flimsy his beliefs are more than anything else.

I don't see what it has to do with hierarchy or division tbh. You don't have it you don't get to mingle in enclosed spaces with other people, seems fair for the time being. The train for herd immunity and letting people do what they want has long left the station, the government made a decision and has to stick with it now.

You're not allowed to enter bars, cinemas, attend matches, because you might spread corona if you don't have a vaccine. Fair enough. But the thing is, even if you're vaccinated, you still spread corona.

Of course that's not normal and that's not optional. Basically you're telling everyone who doesn't get a vaccine that he can only stay home and walk down the street. You think that's normal considering the above?

It's literally blackmailing people. Next step is when companies say you can't work if you didn't have one. It's actually very stupid and insane.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Oh shit

a literal horror cocktail

Would you rather have a sore throat?

 

[lgorTudor]

It's only a way to blackmail people under 40 who don't want it.

Can't wait for our Constitutional Court to shoot down this Orwellian nightmare.

 

[JuveJay]

You're not allowed to enter bars, cinemas, attend matches, because you might spread corona if you don't have a vaccine. Fair enough. But the thing is, even if you're vaccinated, you still spread corona.

Of course that's not normal and that's not optional. Basically you're telling everyone who doesn't get a vaccine that he can only stay home and walk down the street. You think that's normal considering the above?

It's literally blackmailing people. Next step is when companies say you can't work if you didn't have one. It's actually very stupid and insane.

The science is still being debated on what the vaccine does and doesn't do, but if the virus is asymptomatic in 1/3 of people and you let unvaccinated people mingle with everyone else then the virus surely has more potential to transmit than it does in a room of vaccinated people.

The "vaccine passport" won't apply to people going to a pub, café or restaurant, at least that is my understanding. There was suggestion of it, but more liberal MPs made a lot of noise against it. Personally I wouldn't have minded seeing it. Currently people can do more than walk around the street or stay home, but it will stagger how many people can attend events at once.

Talking of fairness or normality, do you think it's fair that people who don't want to get tested, vaccinated, socially distance or even wear a mask for the duration of this pandemic can now potentially go out and sit next to someone in the cinema or at a football stadium who might be in a risk category, as if nothing has happened for the past year? Or do you think the older or at risk persons should stay at home and let the vaccine rebels have their way? Essentially this is boiling down to the same argument again of doing something or doing nothing. The government chose their path and this is it, they took measures and had lockdowns. What would the point be now in letting anybody do everything they wanted? The pandemic isn't close to being over, but the vaccine allows the leisure industry to gradually re-open. This is an easing out of lockdown, it is not the law for the future.

 

[lgorTudor]

Would you rather have a sore throat?

I find it simply amazing that it's legal to administer a vaccine that gives you a near death experience and then to penalize your refusal to get it.

 

[Dostoevsky]

The science is still being debated on what the vaccine does and doesn't do, but if the virus is asymptomatic in 1/3 of people and you let unvaccinated people mingle with everyone else then the virus surely has more potential to transmit than it does in a room of vaccinated people.

The "vaccine passport" won't apply to people going to a pub, café or restaurant, at least that is my understanding. There was suggestion of it, but more liberal MPs made a lot of noise against it. Personally I wouldn't have minded seeing it. Currently people can do more than walk around the street or stay home, but it will stagger how many people can attend events at once.

Talking of fairness or normality, do you think it's fair that people who don't want to get tested, vaccinated, socially distance or even wear a mask for the duration of this pandemic can now potentially go out and sit next to someone in the cinema or at a football stadium who might be in a risk category, as if nothing has happened for the past year? Or do you think the older or at risk persons should stay at home and let the vaccine rebels have their way? Essentially this is boiling down to the same argument again of doing something or doing nothing. The government chose their path and this is it, they took measures and had lockdowns. What would the point be now in letting anybody do everything they wanted? The pandemic isn't close to being over, but the vaccine allows the leisure industry to gradually re-open. This is an easing out of lockdown, it is not the law for the future.

Exactly.

They made decision while science hasn't said anything official. The last official thing that I heard is that a vaccinated person should still wear a mask, distance himself and still be able to transmit the virus. So even if you took a vaccine and you sit next to the person who's in a risk category, you mist still infect him because, as you know, masks provide no guarantee. So right now there's literally no difference between a person who took it and those who didn't because both can kill the person next to you, no?

Some people say vaccinated people don't transmit the virus. But I think it's just a fresh rumour. Like they tested that. Live tests are going-on right now as whole planet is a test field.

As for that passport, I read it today in our newspapers here. Dunno, you might be right, but it said it's going to happen and includes bars, restaurants, cinemas, football matches etc.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Being a antisocial misanthrope finally pays off.

 

[JuveJay]

Exactly.

They made decision while science hasn't said anything official. The last official thing that I heard is that a vaccinated person should still wear a mask, distance himself and still be able to transmit the virus. So even if you took a vaccine and you sit next to the person who's in a risk category, you mist still infect him because, as you know, masks provide no guarantee. So right now there's literally no difference between a person who took it and those who didn't because both can kill the person next to you, no?

Some people say vaccinated people don't transmit the virus. But I think it's just a fresh rumour. Like they tested that. Live tests are going-on right now as whole planet is a test field.

As for that passport, I read it today in our newspapers here. Dunno, you might be right, but it said it's going to happen and includes bars, restaurants, cinemas, football matches etc.

We'll find out more tomorrow as Boris Johnson is doing his latest pandemic speech. But I think it's looking far less likely that they will include pubs etc. I said libs before but there are as many to the right who don't like it.

I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning on the effects of wearing a mask or not. Just because you can still transmit with a mask on you think they are not worth wearing? Or having a vaccine doesn't stop transmission or even contraction for some people? All a mask does is create a barrier to stop droplet spray, which basically happens every time you talk. It does something, but it's not perfect, it's not like wearing a full hazmat suit to go shopping, but something that allows people to reasonably carry on with life whilst doing something to prevent transmission. The efficacy of a double shot is >90% for all vaccine variants so I can't see how there is no difference to having it or not. A room full of 500 vaccinated people and one full of half without is not going to be the same thing. It's asymptomatic people who are the biggest problem in this scenario, but still, people with symptoms were still going out to parties etc, because people are shit. Hopefully the vaccines do reduce viral load, but for now this is the best we have.

As someone who has had the first vaccination and will have the second I don't have an issue with the vaccine passport, as long as it is a shorter term thing. Some will say that once it's in place the government will never remove it, but I don't believe that at all. It'll be like flu where people take a couple of shots per year and people live with it, but until enough people have had two jabs there is no sense in opening everything up to anyone.

I think the majority of the population actually agree with the idea of vaccine passports for now, if you look at the polls it shows UK people are pretty harsh when it comes to the subject, but most agree with them. Over half back a 10 year prison sentence for travelling abroad and lying on return to escape quarantine, for example.