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UK (68m) first European country to reach 50,000 deaths. That's pretty impressive considering the head start Italy had.
Our levels of obesity are the highest in Europe (I don't include Turkey). That is a clear factor, but not decisive in the numbers.
Italy (60m) and France (65m) both just over 42,000 and Spain (42m) on 40,000. But if you look at deaths per capita Spain is leading the way from the bigger Euro nations. Life expectancy is also a factor, as people live longer in Spain and Italy.
But someone explain Belgium (11m). Same sort of life expectancy as UK, relatively low levels of obesity, but deaths per million figures off the scale. Is it population density that is the biggest contributor? Why is Netherlands a lot lower? England as a stand alone country is more densely-populated than Belgium and is also lower.
Our levels of obesity are the highest in Europe (I don't include Turkey). That is a clear factor, but not decisive in the numbers.
Italy (60m) and France (65m) both just over 42,000 and Spain (42m) on 40,000. But if you look at deaths per capita Spain is leading the way from the bigger Euro nations. Life expectancy is also a factor, as people live longer in Spain and Italy.
But someone explain Belgium (11m). Same sort of life expectancy as UK, relatively low levels of obesity, but deaths per million figures off the scale. Is it population density that is the biggest contributor? Why is Netherlands a lot lower? England as a stand alone country is more densely-populated than Belgium and is also lower.
Well, consensus seems to be that our numbers are pretty accurate. Looking at the number of excess deaths, that seems to be the case at least.
Other countries might underestimate their numbers slightly. Afaik, that would or could be the case in the Netherlands.
Still, that doesn't explain the massive differences.
During the first wave, we had massive problems in retirement homes, so that explains the high number of deaths back then. Our death toll in this second wave is still pretty high, but definitely a lot more "normal". Main problem right now is the fact that there are so many infections.
Numbers have been steadily decreasing the past few days, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread, at one point we had more than 20.000 a day. Taking our population into account, that would equate to more than 550.000 new daily cases in the USA.
I really don't know why our numbers are that much worse than everyone else's though. Sure, there's a lot of political incompetence, there's the population density, there are people who don't believe in the virus, etc. Some of the links Post Ironic posted a while ago give you somewhat of an idea.
But I'm not sure that explains everything.
Our healthcare in general is really good though. That has to be said as well.
Other countries might underestimate their numbers slightly. Afaik, that would or could be the case in the Netherlands.
Still, that doesn't explain the massive differences.
During the first wave, we had massive problems in retirement homes, so that explains the high number of deaths back then. Our death toll in this second wave is still pretty high, but definitely a lot more "normal". Main problem right now is the fact that there are so many infections.
Numbers have been steadily decreasing the past few days, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread, at one point we had more than 20.000 a day. Taking our population into account, that would equate to more than 550.000 new daily cases in the USA.
I really don't know why our numbers are that much worse than everyone else's though. Sure, there's a lot of political incompetence, there's the population density, there are people who don't believe in the virus, etc. Some of the links Post Ironic posted a while ago give you somewhat of an idea.
But I'm not sure that explains everything.
Our healthcare in general is really good though. That has to be said as well.
https://www.cp24.com/world/institut...elgium-hampers-response-to-covid-19-1.5163990
Is this true about your “governments”? Sounds like a total mess tbh.
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From what your health care officials are saying, it sounds like your health care system is nearing capacity and on the edge of being overwhelmed.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lockdown-to-avert-health-care-system-collapse
Health care staff being asked to keep working after testing positive as long as asymptomatic.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54688846
Apparently Germany taking in some patients to alleviate pressure. @DAiDEViL @lgorTudor
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/...-rhineland-palatinate-marc-noppen-uz-brussel/
Is this true about your “governments”? Sounds like a total mess tbh.
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From what your health care officials are saying, it sounds like your health care system is nearing capacity and on the edge of being overwhelmed.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lockdown-to-avert-health-care-system-collapse
Health care staff being asked to keep working after testing positive as long as asymptomatic.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54688846
Apparently Germany taking in some patients to alleviate pressure. @DAiDEViL @lgorTudor
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/...-rhineland-palatinate-marc-noppen-uz-brussel/
I can answer that one, over here we only count those who passed away and had tested positive before but during the first wave we had testing issues and massive under diagnosis of cases. The real number according our National Statistic Officer, is around 10K.
I think the case in Belgium is that they had the same testing issues obviously but they count every death with suspicion of Covid as one.
I think the case in Belgium is that they had the same testing issues obviously but they count every death with suspicion of Covid as one.
We've been in (semi) lockdown for some time now with bars/restaurants closed the past 3 weeks and probably 'till late December, amateur sports (bar gyms) suspended and people can't mix up with more than 2 indoors and outside. So far we've been recording 4-5k cases per day which still seems a lot for the sacrifice we make.
