[Coppa Italia] Roma 1-0 JUVENTUS (Jan. 21st 2014) (1 Viewer)

[Alen]

Like Conte gives a shit about any of that.

I don't think Conte has a say in this. The owners set the objectives, and it's usually money related. The money in the EL isn't good, but after the CL failure it might be set as a goal for this season to push for that trophy.

 

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[Oz_Bianconero88]

@Bianconero_Aus

You read my mind broseph!

 

[Red]

Quags is fine when he's intergrated into the first team

But yeah, he's useless as part of a mass rotation.

Yup.

Not specific to Quagliarella, but this is where people seem to get confused by depth.

You aren't meant to have a reserve team that can beat the second best team in Italy.

You are meant to have good enough depth that you can rotate a few players in lots of games and not be fucked just because you are missing a couple of players.

Juve have excellent depth just now.

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Olimpico still looks great when there's a big crowd in:

 

[LiquidPLP]

Would most people agree that without a decent strike partnership, and decent wing backs. The 3-5-2 does not work?


Our B team should use a different formation, we shouldn't need a Bayern esque bench in order to use our subs. On paper, they're not that bad. But as wing backs, the subs are piss poor usually, and Gio Quags clearly offers nothing as a partnership.

I thought it was obvious. I'm not surprised so few people sees it though.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Yup.

Not specific to Quagliarella, but this is where people seem to get confused by depth.

You aren't meant to have a reserve team that can beat the second best team in Italy.

You are meant to have good enough depth that you can rotate a few players in lots of games and not be fucked just because you are missing a couple of players.

Juve have excellent depth just now.

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Olimpico still looks great when there's a big crowd in:

 

[Xperd]

Yup.

Not specific to Quagliarella, but this is where people seem to get confused by depth.

You aren't meant to have a reserve team that can beat the second best team in Italy.

You are meant to have good enough depth that you can rotate a few players in lots of games and not be $#@!ed just because you are missing a couple of players.

Juve have excellent depth just now.

My point is not specific to this game again.I just dont believe we have enough quality(and in depth) to win all three competitions which was my initial argument.Hence you cant blame Conte for fielding B-teamers because Serie A is his priority and doesnt feel the likes of Gio and Quag will give him assurances if he fields them against semi-decent teams in the league(provided he starts Llorente and tevez in the cup).And its likely by the summer or two,we're going to have better attacking depth than currently which helps in knockout tournaments.

The time where we manage to stack comparable squads to that of Bayern or Barca,maybe then we can talk about winning trebles,not now.

 

[Red]

Juve won Serie A comfortably last season and look like doing something similar this year.

Even if you think Juve's depth is not good enough, would it not be worth risking a few points in Serie A to try and win the Coppa?

 

[swag]

Juve won Serie A comfortably last season and look like doing something similar this year.

Even if you think Juve's depth is not good enough, would it not be worth risking a few points in Serie A to try and win the Coppa?

I don't see how Juve can't afford to risk giving two shits about the Coppa Italia with the Scudetto race at stake, but yet somehow Roma can.

Fundamentally I don't see the mentality getting any better to stave off an early exit from the EL. This club really has to answer for complete underperformance so far below potential and expectations in knockout tournaments, it's criminal.

 

[Xperd]

Juve won Serie A comfortably last season and look like doing something similar this year.

Even if you think Juve's depth is not good enough, would it not be worth risking a few points in Serie A to try and win the Coppa?

Well its quite obvious from the start that clinching a 3rd title in a row is the priority as we havent done it since the 1930s.And this year one could argue that the competition at the top has actually gotten stronger nevermind the points gap now as it is still January.

And then we have the EL with the final in our own stadium.Conte fielding subs in the Coppa could be a sign that he wants to take it seriously perhaps and field the strongest eleven ?

 

[Red]

Possibly.

 

[Lion]

I don't see how Juve can't afford to risk giving two $#@!s about the Coppa Italia with the Scudetto race at stake, but yet somehow Roma can.

Fundamentally I don't see the mentality getting any better to stave off an early exit from the EL. This club really has to answer for complete underperformance so far below potential and expectations in knockout tournaments, it's criminal.

which tournaments did Juve underwhelm in?

I only consider the CL this year to be the one Juve sucked at.

remember Juve made it to final of Coppa in 2012

 

[swag]

which tournaments did Juve underwhelm in?

I only consider the CL this year to be the one Juve sucked at.

remember Juve made it to final of Coppa in 2012

While we're breaking Serie A records this year, this team should have the ambition that Bayern showed last year in all of its competitions. Thus far, it's only the campeonato. We don't look like we can be bothered by anything else.

 

[Lion]

While I agree, I will give conte the benefit of him being fairly inexperienced.

I mean a legendary coach like Ferguson in all his years with ManU, only reached 3 CL finals, and that's after spending millions and millions of dollars and decades of work

 

[swag]

OK, he's no Jupp. And experience counts for something, certainly. And Guardiola perhaps inherited much stronger clubs, but he honestly hadn't needed nearly as much experience to figure things out.

 

[Lion]

Lippi only won won CL title, and he's squads were arguablly the best in the world in each season he coached Juve....

let's not kidourselves here, Dortmund were estremely lucky to reach the final. They weren't Bayern level convincing.

Speaking of Bayern, Last season it showed how much the squad was lacking in talent when Jvue faced them. This has been fixed this season by the addition of Tevez and Llorente, and Pogba's vital effect in midfield.

The squad is missing two to become seriously contenders on CL level. Have faith in Marotta to fix that

 

[swag]

Lion the Optimist

 

[Lion]

I just can't call a coach that used a 4-2-4 formation stubborn. if that is not the epitome of attacking, i don't know what is.

EL should be an interesting experience for conte. it could be his chance to experiment with some formations

 

[LiquidPLP]

Keep deluding yourself if you hope Conte will experiment with new formations.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It's not as if he hasn't in the past though.

 

[juventus4life]

Lippi only won won CL title, and he's squads were arguablly the best in the world in each season he coached Juve....

let's not kidourselves here, Dortmund were estremely lucky to reach the final. They weren't Bayern level convincing.

Speaking of Bayern, Last season it showed how much the squad was lacking in talent when Jvue faced them. This has been fixed this season by the addition of Tevez and Llorente, and Pogba's vital effect in midfield.

The squad is missing two to become seriously contenders on CL level. Have faith in Marotta to fix that

Yet we got kicked out right at CL group stage.