Conclusion relegation: Good or Bad? (9 Viewers)

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,645
#61
Tom said:
good - we lose gloryhunting cockend fans
good - we lose overrated old slow players who play without passion, commitment or seemingly ability
good - when we come back up we should have a good young side playing exciting football under deschamps
good - we have a young coach
bad - we lose shedloads of money and cannavaro and zambrotta, easily two of the best world XI you could come with
a good way to sum it up Tom
 

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Apr 12, 2004
77,165
#62
The only reasons I see for this:

Good: Teaches the Serie A and all teams in Italy not to cheat or they will get the book thrown at them. Sucks that it is at Juve's expense.

Bad: You are in B and will need to have a great campaign in order to get your team back in order.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
#64
There is nothing good about being relegated under them circumstances but Moggi not being part of the club anymore is fine by me
But Id rather be in serieA than serieB no matter what direction we are taking
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,928
#65
At least we are starting to take chances on the youth instead of paying absurd prices for overrated mercenaries such as Vieira and Emerson. The likes of Bojinov, Marchionni, possibility of Givet, as well as the youth players we already have in our books, shows that we have finally rid ourselves of the ridiculous Moggi mentality of not taking chances on young starlets. Deschamps is starting to build a youthful attacking outfit which will lead us into a cleaner, more attractive era for Juventus.
 

OmriK

Junior Member
Jul 23, 2006
213
#66
Andy said:
At least we are starting to take chances on the youth instead of paying absurd prices for overrated mercenaries such as Vieira and Emerson. The likes of Bojinov, Marchionni, possibility of Givet, as well as the youth players we already have in our books, shows that we have finally rid ourselves of the ridiculous Moggi mentality of not taking chances on young starlets. Deschamps is starting to build a youthful attacking outfit which will lead us into a cleaner, more attractive era for Juventus.
aman to that!
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
#67
Andy said:
At least we are starting to take chances on the youth instead of paying absurd prices for overrated mercenaries such as Vieira and Emerson. The likes of Bojinov, Marchionni, possibility of Givet, as well as the youth players we already have in our books, shows that we have finally rid ourselves of the ridiculous Moggi mentality of not taking chances on young starlets. Deschamps is starting to build a youthful attacking outfit which will lead us into a cleaner, more attractive era for Juventus.
Thats the only reason that make me still believe!.

Sadly like tom said, we lost canna, zambro and too much money.

But im still positive...altho im waiting for the verdict of the appeal, which is crutial in our aspirations.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,928
#68
Hydde said:
Thats the only reason that make me still believe!.

Sadly like tom said, we lost canna, zambro and too much money.

But im still positive...altho im waiting for the verdict of the appeal, which is crutial in our aspirations.
I actually hope they decide to keep us in Serie B with no points reduction instead of giving us life in Serie A only to find ourselves -40 at the start of the proceedings. This is a brand new Juventus and starting -40 behind the rest of the pack is not something to boost the morale of our players, that's for sure. The most likely scenario for re-promotion is a massive points reduction, and that could spell relegation to Serie B anyway next term.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,927
#69
Andy said:
shows that we have finally rid ourselves of the ridiculous Moggi mentality of not taking chances on young starlets.
I dont know how much of a say Moggi has, when it comes to youth players. Its ultimately the coaches decision in that sense to choose who they want to play. Lippi used to gamble at first but once he thought he laid down his foundation he didnt bother aftewards.. whilst crapello.. :yuck:
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,928
#70
PhRoZeN said:
I dont know how much of a say Moggi has, when it comes to youth players. Its ultimately the coaches decision in that sense to choose who they want to play. Lippi used to gamble at first but once he thought he laid down his foundation he didnt bother aftewards.. whilst crapello.. :yuck:
Well, afterall, it was Moggi who said he would not buy Kaka because of his name. I think that's rather telling.

But of course the manager has a say in the proceedings as well, and that's why the day Fabio Crapello walked out of our doors is a holiday for me. :pint:
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
#74
Andy said:
At least we are starting to take chances on the youth instead of paying absurd prices for overrated mercenaries such as Vieira and Emerson. The likes of Bojinov, Marchionni, possibility of Givet, as well as the youth players we already have in our books, shows that we have finally rid ourselves of the ridiculous Moggi mentality of not taking chances on young starlets. Deschamps is starting to build a youthful attacking outfit which will lead us into a cleaner, more attractive era for Juventus.
There you go again with the mercenary bit which i do not appreciate and then you go on some tangent saying people are accusing you of racism. You have no proof of whether these guys are mercenaries but you continue to postulate. Emerson, I am sure would have gotten more money at Real Madrid but he chose Juventus cos of Capello , how is that being a mercenary? Those who are staying, we do not know if they are staying on reduced salary or if they are on the same wages. There is nothing overrated about Vieira as the world cup proved and Emerson had been enormous for us in the league. you made out that i was singling you out but i could not reply to you there as that thread was closed but I am replying to you here. I did not even have you in mind when i went off on 1, i was reading stuff about the players that left and it was like just Thuram and Emerson getting stick whilst Zambrotta and Cannavaro were getting away lightly and thats why i got annoyed. I don't base accusation on 1 person's post, i do so on what a lot of people are saying and i detected a racial bias. Now probably cos of that anti Cannavaro stuff started coming out, not that i am fooled for 1 minute, i still think that black players get far more bullshit on this forum and eveywhere else. It is always they that get the most stick if they ask for money or ask to leave any club. Do they have a future once their career is over? Of cos not, so why should they not take advantage when they still can? But continually get stick from the likes of you just because they are doing exactly the same thing that other white players are doing. The best defensive midfiielders we have had at this club for 10 years are Deschamps, Davids, Vieira and Emerson but only Deschamps has escaped accusations of being a mercenary on this forum .
 

K0STA

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2006
1,037
#75
I think it has many good sides as mentioned here!!! I agree with them!!!

It'll kinda REFRESH the team!!! And will start fucking Inter again:))))))



P.S. Next Season in Serie A - we need some investment! I Guess we need Fabio Grosso on the place of Zambrotta he's got class I loved hime after the Cup!
 

govindrk

New Member
Sep 28, 2004
17
#76
The possitive:
1. We'll get a fresh start. We have very good youngsters and a new Juve will be based on them with some experienced palyers.
2. We got a coach who's passionated & devoted to the club than any other coach we had before.(excluding Lippi)
3. We will be able to prove to world that we are able to bounce back and silince the crictics whom always blame Juve has help from match officials.
4. Only passioned players stayed at the club which will more strengthen the club.
5. Juve has an entire new board members which will bring fresh ideas and development to the club.
6. Support from the fan is even stronger as ever now.

ALWAYS TAKE THE POSSITIVE AND BUILD FROM IT !!!! :)
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
#77
Andy said:
At least we are starting to take chances on the youth instead of paying absurd prices for overrated mercenaries such as Vieira and Emerson. The likes of Bojinov, Marchionni, possibility of Givet, as well as the youth players we already have in our books, shows that we have finally rid ourselves of the ridiculous Moggi mentality of not taking chances on young starlets. Deschamps is starting to build a youthful attacking outfit which will lead us into a cleaner, more attractive era for Juventus.
agreed, I have been hoping that juve build on young players for a long time. now it seems to be reality, but it is sad that such a thing happend in order to change the strategie.
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
#78
I am surprisingly more enthusiastic about Juve's coming season than before, the total restructuring of the team is leaving me with a positive curiosity.

The Good:
1. Potential Youngsters have a go
2. Style of play to potentially change
3. Off the "Juve are Cheaters" Logo
4. Able to build a young team from Serie B, meaning easier to adapt to each other without too harsh of a competition from other teams.
5. Keep up to date with weekly "Juve deminishes/destroys/clobber .... ..." headlines
6. Del Piero Gol rampage to seal off the Club Goal Scoring record for many many years to come

The Bad:
1. Serie B TV coverage?
2. Atleast another 2 years before Champions League shot
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,928
#79
denco said:
There you go again with the mercenary bit which i do not appreciate and then you go on some tangent saying people are accusing you of racism. You have no proof of whether these guys are mercenaries but you continue to postulate. Emerson, I am sure would have gotten more money at Real Madrid but he chose Juventus cos of Capello , how is that being a mercenary? Those who are staying, we do not know if they are staying on reduced salary or if they are on the same wages. There is nothing overrated about Vieira as the world cup proved and Emerson had been enormous for us in the league. you made out that i was singling you out but i could not reply to you there as that thread was closed but I am replying to you here. I did not even have you in mind when i went off on 1, i was reading stuff about the players that left and it was like just Thuram and Emerson getting stick whilst Zambrotta and Cannavaro were getting away lightly and thats why i got annoyed. I don't base accusation on 1 person's post, i do so on what a lot of people are saying and i detected a racial bias. Now probably cos of that anti Cannavaro stuff started coming out, not that i am fooled for 1 minute, i still think that black players get far more bullshit on this forum and eveywhere else. It is always they that get the most stick if they ask for money or ask to leave any club. Do they have a future once their career is over? Of cos not, so why should they not take advantage when they still can? But continually get stick from the likes of you just because they are doing exactly the same thing that other white players are doing. The best defensive midfiielders we have had at this club for 10 years are Deschamps, Davids, Vieira and Emerson but only Deschamps has escaped accusations of being a mercenary on this forum .

:howler:

Emerson has followed Capello to two new destinations after basically forcing a move out of Roma just to come to Juventus. Now after Capello has left a second club during the night, Emerson is the first person to say "fuck no" to playing Serie B football and was lining up his options with Capello even before the scandal hit. Now, if you don't understand why Emerson is nothing more than a Capello mercenary, then that is not really my problem... the player has no respect for the clubs for which he plays for and is only loyal to Capello and the big green stuffed in his pockets every place he goes.

Vieira is indeed less of a mercenary, however he too wanted out of Arsenal and demeaned his former club while playing half-heartedly for Juventus. And when the scandal hit the newspapers he was lining up his options, saying he too would not play in a second division. These players are mercenaries because of their actions, not because of they're skin color for the fucking last time.

And if you don't have a clue why Deschamps is not labled a mercenary, I think that speaks for your knowledge of the man and this club.
 

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