Computers show how wind could have parted Red Sea (1 Viewer)

[Bjerknes]

So obviously personal, Andy. Don't be such a child. It's about funds. And it was never going to be a complete list. I obviously just named three examples. One of which you actually COULD do something about by the way. You could play a role in eliminating world hunger.

Obviously you aren't going to understand, so I'll spell it out for you. The weather kills thousands of people every year. Whether it be from flooding, drought, tornadoes, whatever, studying this stuff is important. Any research that allows us to understand the atmosphere more, the better. But just because this study is related to something "religious", of course you dismiss it and pull out your stupid hunger card.

Here's an idea: kill yourself and allow others to eat. Seriously.

 

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[Seven]

They came up with the conclusion that wind can move water and then linked it to something religious. Their agenda was never to understand the atmosphere better. They already had that part down.

But again, you can attack me personally, I don't particularly care. I think we all know you're only a child and cannot be blamed for anything.

 

[Bjerknes]

They came up with the conclusion that wind can move water and then linked it to something religious. Their agenda was never to understand the atmosphere better. They already had that part down.

But again, you can attack me personally, I don't particularly care. I think we all know you're only a child and cannot be blamed for anything.

What exactly do you know about fluid dynamics, Andries?

Obviously Zilch. Yet you're still criticizing a study you don't even understand.

Again, stick to stuff you know, like bragging about how many languages you can pull out of your ass. Nobody here really cares, nor do they care what you have to say about this topic.

 

[Seven]

Yet you're talking about human rights. Something you obviously know nothing about.

 

[Naggar]

As said before, they were only examples. These people should be doing something else, rather than spending time and money for research that is idiotic from the start. Even if they somehow come up with an acceptable theory of how the winds could have parted the Red Sea it means nothing. It could be used for and against religion, it does not make the story any less impressive.

You're just denying whole sciences with your opinion here..
I can accept a point of view that says that PETA are a bunch of idiots, I'm with ethical treatment of animals of course, but when they go to 3rd world countries where some people are starving and they say don't wear fur, then they're just spoiled idiots with nothing better to do

but you can't say anything about real sciences and people who spent their lives to come out with theories, or else the world will stop, and we all know there are things that will NEVER be done with, like wars and starvations

if Einestein created a peace organization, or helped to end world hunger during the war he would've done what each human on earth can do anytime
but he had a different path and gave his life to science, and IMO helped a lot more than those organizations that do nothing except make youtube videos and get fans on facebook
some even do nothing more than protesting nude

let's forget about religion now, and the story of Moses and Egyptians was just history, no miracle or anything, wouldn't you be interested to find out how it happened?
I think you're just against this research because it's religion-related, and you should be more open-minded than that

 

[Zé Tahir]

Obviously you aren't going to understand, so I'll spell it out for you. The weather kills thousands of people every year. Whether it be from flooding, drought, tornadoes, whatever, studying this stuff is important. Any research that allows us to understand the atmosphere more, the better. But just because this study is related to something "religious", of course you dismiss it and pull out your stupid hunger card.

Here's an idea: kill yourself and allow others to eat. Seriously.

He just argues for the sake of argument

 

[Gamaro]

Even if it's scientifically possible, it would still be a miracle for it to happen at that exact time. The issue though is that we don't really know it happened. It is quite likely that it is only a literary exaggeration. Who takes the Bible literally anyway?

What's truly disturbing here though is that people are actually doing research for this. Cure cancer, eliminate world hunger, create peace, don't waste time doing this.

Yes,it is still a miracle.

For the last part also,There are many unsolved problems in the world that are much important than this one.I would say why NASA want to take the human being to Mars? will the answer be: to find a new life,so why don't we just develop this life??????????
It would be much easier to solve all the problems on Earth than searching for a another life on Mars.

And are really the resources on Earth are not satisfying our needs?

Instead of spending bellions of Dollars on numerous Mars missions we better spend them to preserve this Earth from the Global warming effects.

And we shouldn't be spending millions or even hundreds of thousands on football players when that money can be used for curing cancer.

Great logic genius

In fact that's true,it is one of the stupidity of this age.Why the hell Real pay 94m to Manchester for that gay C.Ronaldo?
What does this guy give to the mankind?
Isn't it really stupid and funny at the same time that any sport man earns more than any Noble prize winner??????
Those scientists have spend their entire life in contribution to the Mankind Evolution,yet no one cares about them.

Obviously you aren't going to understand, so I'll spell it out for you. The weather kills thousands of people every year. Whether it be from flooding, drought, tornadoes, whatever, studying this stuff is important. Any research that allows us to understand the atmosphere more, the better. But just because this study is related to something "religious", of course you dismiss it and pull out your stupid hunger card.

Here's an idea: kill yourself and allow others to eat. Seriously.

I think u have not got Andries' point clearly,you are absolutely right that any field has its importance in our life,but what he meant is,that particular topic was useless to bring it up.The only ones who were going to pay attension to this topic are those who believe in that religious incident,and in fact,we believed it without the need of any scientific evidance,and whether those scientists have proved that the red sea could have been parted or not we would have still believed it.

What exactly do you know about fluid dynamics, Andries?

My favourite subject:wub:

Please guys, let's keep this a scientific discussion, without an endless religion argument

or else I would've posted it in Religion..

In the end,Religion discussion as usual in Juventuz has taken its share.

 

[Seven]

He just argues for the sake of argument

And you just hate me because you're a vicious little bitch.

But you don't see me complaining about it.

 

[JuveJay]

Yes,it is still a miracle.

For the last part also,There are many unsolved problems in the world that are much important than this one.I would say why NASA want to take the human being to Mars?

To discover more about the origins of life in our solar system and to look at where we are headed. Mars is an example that our time on Earth is finite, but we won't make it to that longer term, we are just putting in ground work now to expansion.

 

[.zero]

Science 1-0 god

 

[Gamaro]

To discover more about the origins of life in our solar system and to look at where we are headed. Mars is an example that our time on Earth is finite, but we won't make it to that longer term, we are just putting in ground work now to expansion.

 

[Seven]

Gamaro is right when he says that it doesn't matter though. Even if science could explain the mechanism behind it, it would still be so unlikely that we could consider it a miracle. I'm probably the last person on Juventuz to defend religion, but it's so blatantly obvious that this argument doesn't help either side.

 

[Bjerknes]

Gamaro, it's just a case study of how some motions of the atmosphere interact with physical features of the Earth. I find it interesting as both atmospheric science and some physical Earth sciences are based on fluid dynamics. These interactions aren't totally understood yet, so they should be researched. This is what science is supposed to do, form hypotheses, test hypotheses, and form conclusions on them to explain the world around us. In this case, we have a "Biblical" event under consideration, which is no different than mapping hurricanes or tornadoes that existed prior to the invention of modern techniques of data acquisition. The fact that religious folk will dismiss anything that is proven in scientific reports is what I refer to as a constant, so that doesn't even need to be discussed.

 

[Seven]

But that's the thing, Andy. Even with the scientific explanation it would be a miracle, so it doesn't add anything to the debate.

 

[Martin]

But that's the thing, Andy. Even with the scientific explanation it would be a miracle, so it doesn't add anything to the debate.

So religious people will tell you: we told you so. And nothing has changed.

 

[Bjerknes]

But that's the thing, Andy. Even with the scientific explanation it would be a miracle, so it doesn't add anything to the debate.

I wouldn't really consider it a miracle that some physical process created a temporary change in the features of the Earth's surface, but that's just me.

Perhaps we shouldn't study hurricanes either since they are mentioned in the Bible.

 

[Zé Tahir]

But that's the thing, Andy. Even with the scientific explanation it would be a miracle, so it doesn't add anything to the debate.

You're right.

People want to believe that Science is on a different team but it's not. Maybe hundreds of years of shunning science by the Church in this part of the world has put this idea in peoples heads but this hasn't been the case with Islam.

 

[Martin]

You're right.

People want to believe that Science is on a different team but it's not. Maybe hundreds of years of shunning science by the Church in this part of the world has put this idea in peoples heads but this hasn't been the case with Islam.

You guys are big on science, are you?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Chemistry especially!

 

[Martin]

Chemistry especially!

That is true, by far the most senior chemist (and the only famous scientist) on the forum is a muslim