Cobolli Gigli Attacks Moggi & Giraudo (3 Viewers)
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your discusion is interesting, but doesn't prove anything. well, it can't prove anything actually. it's the same like talking "what were, if..". the fact is, that without moggi, juve would be totally different today. maybe a lot better, maybe worse. we would probably be still in seria a, but there's still a small chance that we would be even in seria c3.. all these whom we hate now (moggi, capelo and others) played a big part in our history. one-two years ago when juve was winning with capelo, we weren't saying: you bastard, you won (i'am not talking about the way we won). when moggi bought trezi, buffon etc. we didn't say: fuk, we don't need these cunts, buy us beckham, ronaldo or figo. we can't erase them from our history. the fact is that today we are like this because of them: - we have del piero, zebina, deshamps and others - they came or didn't left and we are in seria b, because these people (moggi, crapelo) were at the club. i mean it's all chaos thery 
i don't know if moggi is good in transfers. i don't know if others would do better or worse in his place. i know that he is the man, responsible for our relegetion to seria b. and i also know, that our current management is much worse in transfers than moggi was (except ibra sale of course ) i am not talking that we sold too much, i am talking about the way we sold..it could have been much better imo. but i want to believe that this is only because of inexperience, which can improve..
i don't know if moggi is good in transfers. i don't know if others would do better or worse in his place. i know that he is the man, responsible for our relegetion to seria b. and i also know, that our current management is much worse in transfers than moggi was (except ibra sale of course
) i am not talking that we sold too much, i am talking about the way we sold..it could have been much better imo. but i want to believe that this is only because of inexperience, which can improve..
No more Moggi, please, he left us and God willing he wont return to us.
In your opinion he got us all the success and trophies, in my opinion he got us Serie B.
If I had to choose between being average in Serie A without Moggi and Serie B (maybe 2 years) + All those trophies "won" by Moggi ----> I choose Serie A!
P.S. Fliakis has a point.
In your opinion he got us all the success and trophies, in my opinion he got us Serie B.
If I had to choose between being average in Serie A without Moggi and Serie B (maybe 2 years) + All those trophies "won" by Moggi ----> I choose Serie A!
P.S. Fliakis has a point.
Is there anybody who can translate the reaction of Moggi to Cobolli's words??:eyebrows:
Moggi vs. Cobolli L'ex dg: 'Può dire ciò che vuole'
L'ex direttore generale della Juventus, Luciano Moggi, ha voluto replicare alle dichiarazioni del presidente bianconero Giovanni Cobolli Gigli che aveva accennato alla possibilità di fare causa a lui e Giraudo. L'occasione è un convegno su Calciopoli a Lamezia Terme. "Ciascuno può dire quello che pensa, ma questo vale anche per il presidente della Juventus - ha dichiarato Moggi -. Naturalmente, quello che penso io sulle sue dichiarazioni lo tengo per me".
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Moggi vs. Cobolli L'ex dg: 'Può dire ciò che vuole'
L'ex direttore generale della Juventus, Luciano Moggi, ha voluto replicare alle dichiarazioni del presidente bianconero Giovanni Cobolli Gigli che aveva accennato alla possibilità di fare causa a lui e Giraudo. L'occasione è un convegno su Calciopoli a Lamezia Terme. "Ciascuno può dire quello che pensa, ma questo vale anche per il presidente della Juventus - ha dichiarato Moggi -. Naturalmente, quello che penso io sulle sue dichiarazioni lo tengo per me".
calciomercato
Again, when everybody plays dirty, u do too...when everybody talks to the refs, you do too....when you fall for it so should everyone else, thats justice....
thats why me, and many other members here are bitter about the whole thing..
I never said he was innocent.
Well I could say Milan missed out on Zidane.
Legrottaglie was a hot italian prospect at that time with high flying Chievo, who knew he would flop? He was the Barzagli back then...so it raises the question would Barzagli have flopped too? Who knows, but atleast you can understand why Moggi or Juve didn't jump at the chance to sign Barzagli for his price
Do you think a good transfer guru is one that brings in all the big names? Like Inter?
All I know is Moggi's job at Juventus is to run the business side of things, make the deals happen, whether we want an attacking midfielder or not is the preference of the coach.
thats why me, and many other members here are bitter about the whole thing..
I never said he was innocent.
Well I could say Milan missed out on Zidane.
Legrottaglie was a hot italian prospect at that time with high flying Chievo, who knew he would flop? He was the Barzagli back then...so it raises the question would Barzagli have flopped too? Who knows, but atleast you can understand why Moggi or Juve didn't jump at the chance to sign Barzagli for his price
Do you think a good transfer guru is one that brings in all the big names? Like Inter?
All I know is Moggi's job at Juventus is to run the business side of things, make the deals happen, whether we want an attacking midfielder or not is the preference of the coach.
1. I am bitter too and I feel you man, I know you re disappointed too, if only one or two more clubs went down to Serie B with us, it would have been fair. But again, maybe it would be harder to promote then.
I can say that two of my worst days in life were first when my friend crashed my car and second, when I heard Juve will be playing in Serie B.
But I got used to Serie B now and I m very optimistic, especially if we get our sentence reduced.
2. Thank you, he is definitely not innocent. But there are others in Italy who are worse than him.
3. Exactly, Moggi is only responsible for transfers, the Coach tells him who to buy and youngsters are noticed by Scouts, not Moggi.
Cheers, buddy!
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mark83 said:
3. Exactly, Moggi is only responsible for transfers, the Coach tells him who to buy and youngsters are noticed by Scouts, not Moggi.
Cheers, buddy! +rep
Cheers, buddy!
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and who did negociate with other clubs?
scouts recomended 10 players, Moggi will choose a few of them. and who did negociate with other clubs? Did the other club release their hot prospecs easily?
He did his mistake. But don't forget his credit also.
And our current board did nothing for our club yet. They have to prove that they can do better, than they can talk, and i will happily accept it.
It seems that the new board has decided not to ask for any damage from the previous management...
Moreover, Secco says some good words about Moggi:
http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=164463
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A good step to unite the club again...
Moreover, Secco says some good words about Moggi:
http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=164463
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A good step to unite the club again...
ROME — Prosecutors completed their investigation Monday into allegations of corruption in the Italian soccer transfer market and were preparing indictments against eight people, including former Juventus director Luciano Moggi, the ANSA news agency said. :devil:
The eight are accused of conspiring to control transfers by intimidating players into signing with sports management agency GEA World, which is run by Moggi's son, Alessandro. Prosecutors said the intimidation often included threats of violence.
Also facing possible charges are Alessandro Moggi and player agent David Lippi, the son of Italy's World Cup-winning coach Marcello Lippi.
French forward David Trezeguet's contract renewal at Juventus is one of several cases cited in the probe, ANSA said. :flirt:
The Rome prosecutor's office and GEA World both declined to comment. Prosecutors plan to file an indictment if the accused cannot provide evidence clearing them within 20 days.
A lawyer for Alessandro Moggi said he planned to submit his defence in the coming days.
"We are convinced of being able to show the absolute non-involvement of Moggi on every single charge," lawyer Paolo Rodella said. :angry2:
The probe is one of several criminal investigations nationwide into corruption in Italian soccer, including sports fraud, illegal betting and false bookkeeping.
Luciano Moggi was banned from soccer for five years and fined 50,000 euros (US$63,000) by a sports court in July for influencing the outcome of matches in a high-profile probe that tainted Italian soccer even as the national team won its fourth World Cup. :dazed:
As part of the sports trial, Juventus was stripped of its last two Serie A titles and relegated to the second division — Serie B — with a nine-point penalty. Four other Serie A clubs — AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina — were forced to begin the season with point penalties for their roles in the match-fixing scandal.
GEA World handles more soccer transfers in Italy than any other management company and in 2005 had more than 200 players on its books, according to Italian daily Corriere Della Sera.
Theglobeandmail.com
The eight are accused of conspiring to control transfers by intimidating players into signing with sports management agency GEA World, which is run by Moggi's son, Alessandro. Prosecutors said the intimidation often included threats of violence.
Also facing possible charges are Alessandro Moggi and player agent David Lippi, the son of Italy's World Cup-winning coach Marcello Lippi.
French forward David Trezeguet's contract renewal at Juventus is one of several cases cited in the probe, ANSA said. :flirt:
The Rome prosecutor's office and GEA World both declined to comment. Prosecutors plan to file an indictment if the accused cannot provide evidence clearing them within 20 days.
A lawyer for Alessandro Moggi said he planned to submit his defence in the coming days.
"We are convinced of being able to show the absolute non-involvement of Moggi on every single charge," lawyer Paolo Rodella said. :angry2:
The probe is one of several criminal investigations nationwide into corruption in Italian soccer, including sports fraud, illegal betting and false bookkeeping.
Luciano Moggi was banned from soccer for five years and fined 50,000 euros (US$63,000) by a sports court in July for influencing the outcome of matches in a high-profile probe that tainted Italian soccer even as the national team won its fourth World Cup. :dazed:
As part of the sports trial, Juventus was stripped of its last two Serie A titles and relegated to the second division — Serie B — with a nine-point penalty. Four other Serie A clubs — AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina — were forced to begin the season with point penalties for their roles in the match-fixing scandal.
GEA World handles more soccer transfers in Italy than any other management company and in 2005 had more than 200 players on its books, according to Italian daily Corriere Della Sera.
Theglobeandmail.com