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[Sadomin]

We'll have to wait and see what Zanetti's role is next season. Poulsen is a much better passer than Sissoko and I dare say, not a worse passer of the ball than Zanetti. You don't become one of the best defensive midfielders in La Liga for nothing.

This could actually be a shrewder signing than Alonso for 20m, and feel free to quote me on that when you're praising Christian after the season.

 

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[only-juve]

We have the depth that our officials always wanted "quantity" , but we've strength the departments that is allready strong (attack + DM). Our main problem will be creativity next season (same problem we had last season).

My prediction: we'll be again in top 4 we'll struggle in our group stage (champions league) though will qualify for the second round but we won't get far in the competition. Bottom line is we won't win any trophy next season (unless a miracle happened which is doubtfull), let's hope my prediction is wrong.....

 

[JCK]

Ekdal will probably play with Primavera, Andrade is injured for God knows how long, and Tiago & Almiron will probably be sold.

I think Ekdal will creep to the first team faster than anyone can feel it. Andrade is injured but I doubt that we will sell Tiago and Almiron, it seems we are giving them another chance next season.

"I asked for two players for every position and I got them. Now we have to work hard and push it all the way."


Ok, technically Ranieri is right. We didn't have two players for every position. We didn't have a sub for Nedved, Molinaro and the Cb's.
Looking from that perspective, we did add very good players as subs to our starters. Giovinco, Amauri, Mellberg, Poulsen (if we count him as a sub to Sissoko) and Marchisio (if we count him as a sub to Zanetti) make our bench one of the strongest in Europe.
But this implies that our starting line up was ok, which isn't true. We didn't need a player to be Molinaro's sub, we needed someone good enough to have a guaranteed LB spot. We didn't need a sub for Legro, we needed someone much better than him to immediately replace him.
Which leaves us the CM spot, Zanetti's spot. In practice Zanetti will lose his spot to a destroyer (Poulsen) , who, judging from his characteristics, should be a sub to Sissoko.
But in theory Zanetti is a starter in our 2008/09 team because he's the creative part of our central midfield. So, assuming that Zanetti will keep his place as a starter and Poulsen will only be a sub for Sissoko, the question is : Did we need a creative CM to immediately replace Zanetti in the starting XI and make Zanetti a bench player ?


If you think that we didn't, then Poulsen's transfer was actually a good one and the only negatives in this mercato is that we didn't replace Molinaro and Legrottaglie.

Nice analysis, I agree with pretty much everything.

i really hope ranieri is using this as another smoke screen and buys xabi.

Dream on.

We have the depth that our officials always wanted "quantity" , but we've strength the departments that is allready strong (attack + DM). Our main problem will be creativity next season (same problem we had last season).

My prediction: we'll be again in top 4 we'll struggle in our group stage (champions league) though will qualify for the second round but we won't get far in the competition. Bottom line is we won't win any trophy next season (unless a miracle happened which is doubtfull), let's hope my prediction is wrong.....

Ending 3rd or fourth and reaching the second stage in the CL is actually a good achievement for a team that was in Serie B just two years ago.

 

[The Arif]

I think Ekdal will creep to the first team faster than anyone can feel it. Andrade is injured but I doubt that we will sell Tiago and Almiron, it seems we are giving them another chance next season.

I watched Ekdal on Juventus Channel and he looks promising. I know it's only training, but the kid's got talent and it will not be surprising if he'll play in the first team next season. As for Tiago and Almiron, I don't think that both of them will stay. Tiago maybe, but Almiron no IMO.

 

[Sadomin]

I think Ekdal will creep to the first team faster than anyone can feel it. Andrade is injured but I doubt that we will sell Tiago and Almiron, it seems we are giving them another chance next season.



Nice analysis, I agree with pretty much everything.



Dream on.



Ending 3rd or fourth and reaching the second stage in the CL is actually a good achievement for a team that was in Serie B just two years ago.

Exactly, and considering how little we spent this summer and that we'll be playing CL football this season, we should definitely have the money and status to attract world class players next year.

 

[Kosta]

..or in January

 

[Paolo Sosa]

In a kind of way I am glad...

Xabi & Poulsen= Not much playing time for Marchisio, we must give this kid playing time, he can be a star believe me. With Poulsen,Sissoko,Zanetti he will get alot of playing time, the 3 will get many suspensions so Marchisio will get some chanses, and he also have other qualites then them.


Stankovic would mess up things for Giovinco and Marchisio as he could play in every position in midfield, I rate Giovinco higher then him but im not sure that Ranieri would.

De Ceglie only have Molinaro to compete with. I beleive in De Ceglie he is gonne be a great player for Juve.

This three players made my mercato great. I love them and I am dying to see them in our beautiful shirt.

FORZA JUVENTUS

thank u .. finally someone share my faith in our young guns

 

[serfaraaz]

i cant believe that our tranfer budget is so low with this kind of budget we wont compete for any trophies

 

[The Arif]

Yeah, Ranieri might decide to play our budget instead of all our players.

 

[Dominic]

Maybe Sissoko's included in the budget.

 

[pierrelb]

i dont have a problem with no more transfers. i'd have prefered xabi to poulsen, but poulsen is good enough. besides, marchisio will step up. and as long as de ceglie takes molinaro's spot at some point in the season, we should be fine.

at CB we have plenty. chiellini is the only quality one available with andrade out, but melberg is solid. given that it's our second season in Serie A, the team is good enough. i think we can put up a good challenge for the league and possibly the CL.

 

[serfaraaz]

Yeah, Ranieri might decide to play our budget instead of all our players.

but why r u blaming raineri if juve management cant sign players like alonso and milito

 

[baggio]

I think he's just taking some pressure of those morons, and letting them do their work behind the scenes, without the weight of expectation. While also, indicating to Liverpool and Rafa, that we wont be bettering the bid on Xabi, perhaps forcing a quicker conclusion to the deal, than most would expect. They've clearly stated they were looking at spending between 10 and 30m on a midfielder, with the first 10 gone on Poulsen, a better part of the remaining 20 will be used to prise Alonso away. They know better than us, that you need more than a mechanical midfield in the Champions League.

 

[The Arif]

but why r u blaming raineri if juve management cant sign players like alonso and milito

And where exactly I blamed Ranieri?

 

[serfaraaz]

I think he's just taking some pressure of those morons, and letting them do their work behind the scenes, without the weight of expectation. While also, indicating to Liverpool and Rafa, that we wont be bettering the bid on Xabi, perhaps forcing a quicker conclusion to the deal, than most would expect. They've clearly stated they were looking at spending between 10 and 30m on a midfielder, with the first 10 gone on Poulsen, a better part of the remaining 20 will be used to prise Alonso away. They know better than us, that you need more than a mechanical midfield in the Champions League.

gigli also said that in 10 days everything would be decided so i think any other signing will be loan deal

 

[Alen]

Nice analysis, I agree with pretty much everything.

Here is (much) more....

First of all, i don't want people here to think that i agree with our transfer politics. Far from that, actually.
But i do see some logic in what we did this summer. I had enough free time to check some stats and this is what i found :

In 2004/05 (the first season when 38 rounds were played) we had a goal difference 67:27
In 2005/06 our goal difference was 71:24
Inter's goal difference last season was 69:26

And now our goal difference last season : 72:37


What can we conclude from this ?
Last season we scored more than we did under Capello, we scored more goals than Inter and we scored more than any other club apart from Roma who also scored 72 goals. But look at the conceeded goals stats.

So, i guess the board thought that we don't really have problems with scoring and creating chances. Zanetti was league's top3 assistman so there wasn't some big need to replace him.
Also, Camoranesi. I checked all the serie A matches Juve played this season. There is a huge difference between the way we played and how much we scored with him and without him. The board probably expects him to play more than last year and thus Juve to be more creative.

We did prove that we have quality to play against Inter, Milan and Roma. What we lacked was quality on the bench to give a rest to our best players or replace them when they'll be injured.
Since we play CL and since we need deeper squad to be competetive in CL and serie A, the board decided to add more depth.
With this they did a very good job. We replaced our bench players with better players. The striker Palladino was replaced with the much superior Amauri. The left wing Palladino is replaced with much superior Giovinco. Nocerino is replaced by Poulsen. In central defense we had Criscito/Boumsong in the first part of the season and we had only Stendardo in the second part. Now we have Mellberg.
We didn't even have a sub LB, now we have.
The depth is added, mission completed.

Mission number two was to make our overall defense stronger, because, from the stats above, we can see that the problem wasn't the lack of creativity, the real problem was the way we defended. The first step was adding Sissoko and we all saw that he made us stronger in this department. Poulsen and Mellberg give us great cover in case our starters get injured. They are good enough to play against the best teams and solid enough so we wouldn't have to worry in case Sissoko or the cb's get injured.
But this is where they failed : We obviously needed a new LB, a very good one and instead of making Knezevic a sub to Legro, we should have made Legro a sub for a new very good CB.

This was me trying to think logically and see why we didn't buy Xabi. Creating chances wasn't a big problem anyway but defending was. We went for the one who can offer us what we need more. Plus he was cheaper and there you go.
But i still couldn't figure it out why we didn't make the defense stronger.
With the players we have right now, and with only a new CB and LB, we'd have been a real force, imo.

Edit: In case someone calls me nuts for saying that Poulsen is what we needed while Xabi wasn't, i want to tell you that i was only trying to find a logical reason why did we go after Poulsen and not after Xabi

 

[Thunderball]

I can live with Poulsen... he's not that bad for under 10m euro. But I also have a great deal of faith in the young contingent coming up. I think by season's end, all three will be starting XI fixtures, and I think (hope) that's what Ranieri thinks too.

He's not as good of a pure DM as Sissoko, but he has some things that Sissoko doesn't. I also think Tiago is going to get a clean slate and an opporunity to start over again. I think we'll mostly see the CMs split like this:
Tiago/Marchisio/Zanetti - Sissoko/Poulsen

My guess is Zanetti will be phased out as the season progresses and end up a Birindelli type reserve sub, unless Tiago and/or Marchisio flop. If they do, then we'll see them splash out on a Xabi Alonso/Aquilani type.

I also think by season's end... we're going to look like this, if all goes to plan:

Amauri-Trezeguet
Giovinco-Sissoko-Marchisio-Camoranesi
De Ceglie-Chiellini-Mellberg-Grygera
Buffon​

Major Subs: Iaquinta, Del Piero, Tiago, Zebina, Legrottaglie.

Then the major target for mercato will be a Camo successor (Rosina?), a Trez successor (Huntelaar?) and someone like Ivanovic (unless Criscito has a great campaign and returns)

 

[Gill_juve]

also people have been complaining about amauri, but looking at the stats, he is above all the top four teams top scorers (i am excluding pens) other than juves:

Del Piero 18
Trezeguet 18
Amauri 13
Cruz 12
Mutu 11
Totti 11
Ibrahimovic 9
Kaka 9

 

[serfaraaz]

I can live with Poulsen... he's not that bad for under 10m euro. But I also have a great deal of faith in the young contingent coming up. I think by season's end, all three will be starting XI fixtures, and I think (hope) that's what Ranieri thinks too.

He's not as good of a pure DM as Sissoko, but he has some things that Sissoko doesn't. I also think Tiago is going to get a clean slate and an opporunity to start over again. I think we'll mostly see the CMs split like this:
Tiago/Marchisio/Zanetti - Sissoko/Poulsen

My guess is Zanetti will be phased out as the season progresses and end up a Birindelli type reserve sub, unless Tiago and/or Marchisio flop. If they do, then we'll see them splash out on a Xabi Alonso/Aquilani type.

I also think by season's end... we're going to look like this, if all goes to plan:

Amauri-Trezeguet
Giovinco-Sissoko-Marchisio-Camoranesi
De Ceglie-Chiellini-Mellberg-Grygera
Buffon​

Major Subs: Iaquinta, Del Piero, Tiago, Zebina, Legrottaglie.

Then the major target for mercato will be a Camo successor (Rosina?), a Trez successor (Huntelaar?) and someone like Ivanovic (unless Criscito has a great campaign and returns)

but the problem is we didnt need poulsen and we wasted money buying him

 

[Sadomin]

Here is (much) more....

Excellent post that covers it all, really.

As much as you lot might not like it, this signing makes a lot of sense.