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may i say, pep has had probably one of if not the most talented squads out there, although there were rifts in the locker room and some players had to be sold.
he also had a shitload of cash.
but still i think praise has to be given where praise is due. he has obviously given the team something. im not saying he is the best coach out there for reaching the final but surely he has brought something other wise what would be the point in a coach?
he also had a shitload of cash.
but still i think praise has to be given where praise is due. he has obviously given the team something. im not saying he is the best coach out there for reaching the final but surely he has brought something other wise what would be the point in a coach?
Anyone is better than Ranieri. Period.
I think this whole experience thing is blown way out of proportion. What sort of experience did Lippi have when he first joined us? The same applies to Trappatoni with his first stint at the club, and to a lesser degree Ancelotti. What I mean to say, is experience isn't as relevant as some of you make it out to be.
Conte, Gasperini, Prandelli, and Ferrara know what it takes to win @ Juve, as they have all either played with or coached Juve squads at some point in their careers. They understand the Juve DNA, the Juve spirit and mentality.
Ranieri, on the other hand, has been coaching since my step grandmother ceased to be hot, and he has yet to win anything significant; the point being, his experience counts for shit.
I think this whole experience thing is blown way out of proportion. What sort of experience did Lippi have when he first joined us? The same applies to Trappatoni with his first stint at the club, and to a lesser degree Ancelotti. What I mean to say, is experience isn't as relevant as some of you make it out to be.
Conte, Gasperini, Prandelli, and Ferrara know what it takes to win @ Juve, as they have all either played with or coached Juve squads at some point in their careers. They understand the Juve DNA, the Juve spirit and mentality.
Ranieri, on the other hand, has been coaching since my step grandmother ceased to be hot, and he has yet to win anything significant; the point being, his experience counts for shit.
However for a manager to prove himself, he must first deliver some sort of results with inferior material, against the odds.
"Coaches" like Rijkaard, Pep and Mancini, who start their coaching carrier with world class material and achieving just what they were supposed to achieve,
should not be venerated, more than coaches who helped their team rank higher,
using the same or inferior material, than the previous coaches have used in the very same team.
And esp not after just their very first try!
Consistently delivering results, with different teams, should mean smth though!!
Controlling the locker rooms, is not the only attribute a top coach should have.
And calming the locker rooms, cooling a previous crisis, doesnt mean you control them either.
"Coaches" like Rijkaard, Pep and Mancini, who start their coaching carrier with world class material and achieving just what they were supposed to achieve,
should not be venerated, more than coaches who helped their team rank higher,
using the same or inferior material, than the previous coaches have used in the very same team.
And esp not after just their very first try!
Consistently delivering results, with different teams, should mean smth though!!
Controlling the locker rooms, is not the only attribute a top coach should have.
And calming the locker rooms, cooling a previous crisis, doesnt mean you control them either.
Exactly, experience is not the most important aspect, although i do think a coach needs to have a certain amount of top flight experience. Gasperini would be the perfect example, he's got good experience but he's never been in charge of a squad that can actually win things. Regardless he has always over performed. I'd like to give him a shot over the more experienced Spaletti
I dont think that this has been posted yet:
Blog: Echoes of Maifredi
Juventus’ chaotic situation bears unsettling similarities with one of the club’s worst seasons ever. Giovanni Spinella remembers it well
In 1990 the Agnellis, after four years without the Scudetto, decided to give the Old Lady a facelift by removing Giampiero Boniperti and bringing in a new senior executive, Luca Cordero di Montezemolo.
Enamoured with the ‘new style’ of football played by Arrigo Sacchi’s Milan, they decided to follow a similar path by appointing Bologna’s then Coach, Gigi Maifredi. Both choices were disastrous.
Montezemolo – a capable manager as his later stint in Ferrari has proven – knew nothing of football and made some baffling decisions, such as signing Thomas Hässler – a gifted German player who was surplus to requirements in a team that had signed Roberto Baggio and Paolo Di Canio.
He also rejected Brazilian defender Aldair, preferring instead his less gifted countryman Julio Cesar, and wouldn’t make a serious bid for midfielder Carlos Dunga whilst selling off the adequate if uninspiring Sergei Aleinikov.
Maifredi – a proponent of a more Dutch style of total football – was unable to cope with the pressures of managing such a demanding club and failed to control a dressing room which had its own dramas.
Its four walls contained a top-notch player unconvinced about his move to Turin [Baggio], a once-irresistible striker who was now opposition defenders’ main target [Salvatore Schillaci] and a number of not-quite-but-almost past their prime players [such as Stefano Tacconi] who were rather resentful of the new intake.
Thanks mostly to Baggio’s goals, by the end of the andata Juventus were only three points behind front-runners Sampdoria. But then the club began to lose games and confidence collapsed. The players’ relationship with their boss was irretrievably compromised.
Montezemolo – following Juventus’ tradition of never sacking a Coach until the end of the season – kept Maifredi until the bitter end, which saw Juventus plummet to 8th place. The next season the Agnellis brought back Boniperti who called on Giovanni Trapattoni to manage the side – but the Scudetto wouldn’t return to Turin for another three years when Marcello Lippi took over.
Any historical analogy has limited applications. Claudio Ranieri is a much more accomplished tactician than Maifredi ever was and this Juventus, for all its flaws, is still a better-assembled team than the 1990 side. Plus, the Agnellis did not have to rebuild a squad decimated by the Calciopoli scandal.
But there are lessons to be learned. If a Coach has lost the players’ faith then it’s better to bring in a fresh face, and in order to build a title-winning side never forget your fundamentals – a strong midfield and defence – instead of looking for a flash name up front.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/blogs/gs41.html
Blog: Echoes of Maifredi
Juventus’ chaotic situation bears unsettling similarities with one of the club’s worst seasons ever. Giovanni Spinella remembers it well
In 1990 the Agnellis, after four years without the Scudetto, decided to give the Old Lady a facelift by removing Giampiero Boniperti and bringing in a new senior executive, Luca Cordero di Montezemolo.
Enamoured with the ‘new style’ of football played by Arrigo Sacchi’s Milan, they decided to follow a similar path by appointing Bologna’s then Coach, Gigi Maifredi. Both choices were disastrous.
Montezemolo – a capable manager as his later stint in Ferrari has proven – knew nothing of football and made some baffling decisions, such as signing Thomas Hässler – a gifted German player who was surplus to requirements in a team that had signed Roberto Baggio and Paolo Di Canio.
He also rejected Brazilian defender Aldair, preferring instead his less gifted countryman Julio Cesar, and wouldn’t make a serious bid for midfielder Carlos Dunga whilst selling off the adequate if uninspiring Sergei Aleinikov.
Maifredi – a proponent of a more Dutch style of total football – was unable to cope with the pressures of managing such a demanding club and failed to control a dressing room which had its own dramas.
Its four walls contained a top-notch player unconvinced about his move to Turin [Baggio], a once-irresistible striker who was now opposition defenders’ main target [Salvatore Schillaci] and a number of not-quite-but-almost past their prime players [such as Stefano Tacconi] who were rather resentful of the new intake.
Thanks mostly to Baggio’s goals, by the end of the andata Juventus were only three points behind front-runners Sampdoria. But then the club began to lose games and confidence collapsed. The players’ relationship with their boss was irretrievably compromised.
Montezemolo – following Juventus’ tradition of never sacking a Coach until the end of the season – kept Maifredi until the bitter end, which saw Juventus plummet to 8th place. The next season the Agnellis brought back Boniperti who called on Giovanni Trapattoni to manage the side – but the Scudetto wouldn’t return to Turin for another three years when Marcello Lippi took over.
Any historical analogy has limited applications. Claudio Ranieri is a much more accomplished tactician than Maifredi ever was and this Juventus, for all its flaws, is still a better-assembled team than the 1990 side. Plus, the Agnellis did not have to rebuild a squad decimated by the Calciopoli scandal.
But there are lessons to be learned. If a Coach has lost the players’ faith then it’s better to bring in a fresh face, and in order to build a title-winning side never forget your fundamentals – a strong midfield and defence – instead of looking for a flash name up front.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/blogs/gs41.html
