Claudio Ranieri (53 Viewers)

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
I strongly disagree with this. Milan is the only team that was stronger in Capello's days than it is now. All the other serie A teams are either at the same level or are now stronger than they were back then (not counting Juve, obviously).
Roma were awful back then. They finished 8th and 5th respectively and they were a joke in Europe. Fiorentina are at the same level and they're doing equally well. But back then Udinese and Chievo were ending high in the standings and ended up playing in CL. Teams like Messina, Livorno and Empoli, full with a bunch of nobodies in the team, were playing in UEFA Cup.

Just check the names of the players who played for the serie A teams back then and you'll see that all the quality was in the best 3 or best 4 teams. The minor teams didn't have players like Milito, Lavezzi, Hamsik, Cassano etc and overall they were all weaker than they are today.

The serie A was super strong in the 1990's and before 2003-2004. But at the time Capello took over Juve, the league was very weak and only Milan and Juve (mostly Milan's great results in CL) made it look to the outsiders that serie A was strong.
I said seriea was stronger than that it is now not that it was strong. I never at any time said it was strong, in fact I remember saying then that it was weak but I did not know it would get worse.

Like Snoop rightly said it is the bigger teams that we should talk about not the mid-table ones and the Milan, Inter, Juventus, Roma and even Lazio is stronger than this version of Inter who are the Juventus of 2005, Juventus, Milan, Genoa, Fiorentina and Roma that are the best teams in the league right now.

You do not find it laughable that our team with this squad members came 3rd last season and are looking good to coming second while conceivably can come 1st?

Roma with all their problems can still qualify for the CL, Fiorentina have lost 10 times and are 4th.

Yes the likes of Cagliari, Genoa and a few others have improved but that does not make it a better competition than it was in 2005.

You can talk about names like Cassano, Hamsik, Lavezzi and Milito but it does not really mean much as i could counter that by stating that Cassano was rotting at Roma, Milito was possibly in serieb but that is not a good argument as I can mention other players that are at clubs that do not belong in serieA let alone playing for Inter and Juventus.

Bottom line is that Ranieri is not doing such a good job because the league as far as I can see is not strong at all as the runaway leaders have lost to Panathinaikos, Werder Bremen and drawn with Famagusta this season.

I supported what he did last season because I thought he deserved praise cos it was our first year back from serieB but I cannot do the same this season as in any other work of life, you do not need 2 years to get your act together and the transfer policy as Cronos has taken pains to explain is appalling.

Since he seemingly vetoed the idea of Alonso and Diego coming whilst sanctioning Poulsen then it is his fault that he is getting stick from fans.
 

dogsarecute

Senior Member
Aug 7, 2008
525
The quality of the footballers are more balanced, with the weakening of Juventus and AC Milan due to the Calciopoli, and Fiorentina having to come all the way up from lower leagues. Inter is the only top team that is not affected and is strong in all departments so their quality allows them to stay top, while Juventus and AC Milan are lacking in certain areas, especially defence which is important in a tactical league.

Diego is not going to come because he does not fit into the system and plays in Giovinco's preferred position. Will Liverpool really sell Alonso if we agreed to play 18million? I doubt they will even if we offered 20 million because then they will be left with Lucas and we can see what a disaster of a player he is this season.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
4,679
The quality of the footballers are more balanced, with the weakening of Juventus and AC Milan due to the Calciopoli, and Fiorentina having to come all the way up from lower leagues. Inter is the only top team that is not affected and is strong in all departments so their quality allows them to stay top, while Juventus and AC Milan are lacking in certain areas, especially defence which is important in a tactical league.

Diego is not going to come because he does not fit into the system and plays in Giovinco's preferred position. Will Liverpool really sell Alonso if we agreed to play 18million? I doubt they will even if we offered 20 million because then they will be left with Lucas and we can see what a disaster of a player he is this season.
We have a system? Thats news to me, I thought we just lumped the ball forward and hope Dp does something out of very little.

I think if we offered 20 million to Liverpool for Alonso just for the sake of this argument, they will accept and not be left with Lucas because they will use the money to buy someone else possibly Gareth Barry.

But 20m in this current climate for Alonso is a tad too much for my liking.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
If you don't enjoy being called a superior being you have to simply stop acting like one.



I am not arguing.
Since you so enjoy doing this then educate me as to how I act like a superior being?

Tell me how many times I have insulted anyone on here based on his race? Tell me when I have a discussion with anyone based on their religion?

Tell me when i have said that I am better than anyone. Yes I have seen more FOOTBALL than most on here mailny because I am older than most but apart from football do I try to act like I am knowledgeable in other subjects and insult others?

Compared to others that I have read on here, how many times have you read me say you nothing about football and other statements of that nature?

You on the other hand have been branded a racist in the past, why I don't know and do not care to know but you have the audacity to call someone else superior being.

The one thing that is prevalent in this forum is if you do not act like a blind sheep and support Juventus no matter how poorly they are playing, you are branded superior or negative.

Last season I did not agree with Vinman and Andy but I gave reasons why I did not agree not resort to calling them names.

If you disagree with someone else's opinion then perhaps you should put your arguments forward in a much better way than just saying people hate such and such.

What I have noticed about majority that are pro Juventus no matter what the performance is never seem to have better arguments to say other than forza juve or saying others are not true fans or player haters etc as if that is some sort of credible argument.

Another problem is taking people far too literally on here, I say Juventus bore their opponents into submission and that is taken literally. Why, I can never understand that, surely that is a figure of speech.



Vinman gets stick on here for his use of puns on player and manager's names. I personally think its clever and witty but I do not think calling Ibrahimovic a camel face or gypsy funny or clever.

But somehow it is wrong for Vinman to play on words which is not personal but it is okay to be personal when it comes to abusing Zlatan cos he plays for Inter Milan.

Not that i expect this to stop going around garnering posts by provoking people all of the time acting like you are some kind of moralist saying other hate players, managers etc when you are a self proclaimed disliker of Barcelona for no apparent reason but always you take the higher ground then turn around and call me superior.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
That is typical of you never having anything worthwhile to say. Almost 50,000 posts, my goodness what a number and most of it is crap and provoking a response.

Goddamn I have been here since 2002 with 5,611 posts, you have posted 45,487 posts since 2004, none of them memorable.

My age like the age of anybody on here on in the world does not matter as everyone is different .

Now moving on to far more important people and topic at hand I read with interest that Snoop said the EPl has 4 super teams and the likes of Everton, Villa, Spurs and Newcastle are either good or have potential.

So i do not misunderstand you Snoop as I do not think you are a fan of our squad and standard of serieA as am I but you are not suggesting that those teams have better squads than we do are you?

Personally I am sure Juventus squad is better than those not in the top 4 and for me there is no comparison but I will go as far as saying that I am not convinced that Arsenal or even Liverpool have better squads than we do.

For me the biggest problem with serie A in general is that they seem to go for experience over youth as technically they are a match for most but when it comes to pace and power they are so easily left behind.

DP and Nedved are icons of Juventus and all but if you are planning on winning important trophies, 34 and 36 year olds cannot be key players i am sorry to say.

If United and Barcelona can trust the fate of their clubs in the hands of Rooney and Ronaldo; and Messi and Iniesta why are we still looking for Dp for guidance.

If the transfer policy can be a little better then I would not worry about Inter cos even with 100m as long as Mourinho is in charge of buying players then he will always buy nonsense as his previous buys of Malouda, Kalou, Ferriera, Muntari, Quaresma, Mancini have shown and his interest in Diaby and Jenas will attest.

I would not want us to favour muscle over technique as Ranieri seems to be looking in that direction but we do need to add more pace and youth to this side, creativity is a must.

I do not know if Giovinco is the answer but he needs more playing time for us to know if he is the real deal or not and my reading that there are plans to talk Nedved out of retirement is troubling .
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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See what I mean? Your attitude is just disgusting. I asked you because you already mentioned your age being older than anyone else on the forum, and making your football knowledge superior.

Superior and old being!
 

da_ledgeaun

The Juve Freak
Jun 2, 2007
6,611
That is typical of you never having anything worthwhile to say. Almost 50,000 posts, my goodness what a number and most of it is crap and provoking a response.

Goddamn I have been here since 2002 with 5,611 posts, you have posted 45,487 posts since 2004, none of them memorable.

My age like the age of anybody on here on in the world does not matter as everyone is different .

Now moving on to far more important people and topic at hand I read with interest that Snoop said the EPl has 4 super teams and the likes of Everton, Villa, Spurs and Newcastle are either good or have potential.

So i do not misunderstand you Snoop as I do not think you are a fan of our squad and standard of serieA as am I but you are not suggesting that those teams have better squads than we do are you?

Personally I am sure Juventus squad is better than those not in the top 4 and for me there is no comparison but I will go as far as saying that I am not convinced that Arsenal or even Liverpool have better squads than we do.

For me the biggest problem with serie A in general is that they seem to go for experience over youth as technically they are a match for most but when it comes to pace and power they are so easily left behind.

DP and Nedved are icons of Juventus and all but if you are planning on winning important trophies, 34 and 36 year olds cannot be key players i am sorry to say.

If United and Barcelona can trust the fate of their clubs in the hands of Rooney and Ronaldo; and Messi and Iniesta why are we still looking for Dp for guidance.

If the transfer policy can be a little better then I would not worry about Inter cos even with 100m as long as Mourinho is in charge of buying players then he will always buy nonsense as his previous buys of Malouda, Kalou, Ferriera, Muntari, Quaresma, Mancini have shown and his interest in Diaby and Jenas will attest.

I would not want us to favour muscle over technique as Ranieri seems to be looking in that direction but we do need to add more pace and youth to this side, creativity is a must.

I do not know if Giovinco is the answer but he needs more playing time for us to know if he is the real deal or not and my reading that there are plans to talk Nedved out of retirement is troubling .
dude,are you really comparing Del Piero and Nedved to Messi/Ronaldo/Iniesta/Rooney..???
seriously man,1 of the many reasons why Barca/MU dont rely on anyone like DP is simple,cos they dont have anyone like DP and Nedved..
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
That is typical of you never having anything worthwhile to say. Almost 50,000 posts, my goodness what a number and most of it is crap and provoking a response.

Goddamn I have been here since 2002 with 5,611 posts, you have posted 45,487 posts since 2004, none of them memorable.

My age like the age of anybody on here on in the world does not matter as everyone is different .

Now moving on to far more important people and topic at hand I read with interest that Snoop said the EPl has 4 super teams and the likes of Everton, Villa, Spurs and Newcastle are either good or have potential.

So i do not misunderstand you Snoop as I do not think you are a fan of our squad and standard of serieA as am I but you are not suggesting that those teams have better squads than we do are you?

Personally I am sure Juventus squad is better than those not in the top 4 and for me there is no comparison but I will go as far as saying that I am not convinced that Arsenal or even Liverpool have better squads than we do.

For me the biggest problem with serie A in general is that they seem to go for experience over youth as technically they are a match for most but when it comes to pace and power they are so easily left behind.

DP and Nedved are icons of Juventus and all but if you are planning on winning important trophies, 34 and 36 year olds cannot be key players i am sorry to say.

If United and Barcelona can trust the fate of their clubs in the hands of Rooney and Ronaldo; and Messi and Iniesta why are we still looking for Dp for guidance.

If the transfer policy can be a little better then I would not worry about Inter cos even with 100m as long as Mourinho is in charge of buying players then he will always buy nonsense as his previous buys of Malouda, Kalou, Ferriera, Muntari, Quaresma, Mancini have shown and his interest in Diaby and Jenas will attest.

I would not want us to favour muscle over technique as Ranieri seems to be looking in that direction but we do need to add more pace and youth to this side, creativity is a must.

I do not know if Giovinco is the answer but he needs more playing time for us to know if he is the real deal or not and my reading that there are plans to talk Nedved out of retirement is troubling .
Arsenal do not have a better squad than Juve. Not at all actually. Liverpool on the other hand do have a better squad than Juve imo.

dude,are you really comparing Del Piero and Nedved to Messi/Ronaldo/Iniesta/Rooney..???
seriously man,1 of the many reasons why Barca/MU dont rely on anyone like DP is simple,cos they dont have anyone like DP and Nedved..
Messi ability wise is better than all those names you mentioned without a shadow of a doubt.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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del piero and christiano ronaldo should never be compared.

one is an absolute legend of the game, a true gentlman on and off the pitch.

and one is a diving panzy.

do you seriously think C ronaldo would go down to to championship if man u were relegated??? doubt it
 

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