are you sure? the management seems to act like we don't...or they just aren't willing to do it.
is the delle alpi consuming most of our cash?
is the delle alpi consuming most of our cash?
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omg your completely missing the point, its not about that, its about wanting the best, thats what i am talking about, you wouldn't be happy if a mediocre surgeon was doing the operation obviously you would support them though, i am not talking aobut supporting, no you wouldnt nag the shit out of him, but you would obviously want more. If you would have bothered to read the post you would notice that I am saying that i want the best and the current board are not the best - because i dont rate then why shouldn't i be able to say i dont and demand for more? It doesnt mean i wont support
But wanting the best and supporting the love ones doesn't mean you should hate and blame others who also love and care, and who knows about club situation and the players much more than we do.
I am sure, if you would know more what is going on inside of club you would be more sensible and would be more careful about your words or signature..
we are all 4 Juve here..
I am sure, if you would know more what is going on inside of club you would be more sensible and would be more careful about your words or signature..
we are all 4 Juve here..
When they are out there i playing i support ranieri, but it is for reasons i have seen on the pitch that i want him out - there are better managers out there. I get what your saying - of course no one knows outside of the club what is going on inside it but were all entitled to form our own opinions. In my eyes someting is not working with the current management, i find secco incompetant and I dont rate ranieri as a amager - but that is not to say i am not greatful for what he has done. But i dont think he and secco are the men that will help us take that next step....
the reason why i want them out is because i think it would be the best thing for juve - surely you can sympathise with that
the reason why i want them out is because i think it would be the best thing for juve - surely you can sympathise with that
You either used a wrong analogy or misunderstood my post because wanting the best and having the best are two totally different things. The best are not always available, you know. There are emergency situations where you HAVE to live with what is provided.
I think you would love to have Moggi back but do you know that he has still years to serve his ban? You might want someone else, but what if that someone else is tied to another club on a contract?
In the end, you're the one who's nagging and I'm the one enjoying my time. I look at the positive to entertain myself, you look at the negative and suffer. Suit yourself.
I think you would love to have Moggi back but do you know that he has still years to serve his ban? You might want someone else, but what if that someone else is tied to another club on a contract?
In the end, you're the one who's nagging and I'm the one enjoying my time. I look at the positive to entertain myself, you look at the negative and suffer. Suit yourself.
You are ungretful.
We finished 3rd, when everybody expect 5-6 place before season started.
CR was good enough, even he pissed me off last 2-3 games.
Especially last one when he subbed DP, even it was logical as we had player down but it should not matter as we already achieved so much..
He wanted to show off or something...
Anyway he should be good enough for you to take his name off your signature..
I think this year will be make it or brake it for CR.. This year will be much more difficult..
We finished 3rd, when everybody expect 5-6 place before season started.
CR was good enough, even he pissed me off last 2-3 games.
Especially last one when he subbed DP, even it was logical as we had player down but it should not matter as we already achieved so much..
He wanted to show off or something...
Anyway he should be good enough for you to take his name off your signature..
I think this year will be make it or brake it for CR.. This year will be much more difficult..
Yeah i did misunderstand your post, what your saying here wasn't clear before. And yes we do have to live with what we have and i understand what you are saying completely. And no I really wouldn't like to have Moggi back, he did more harm than good, but obviously i would want someone like him in terms of transfers, he was so smart, and maybe that was because he was bent - we'll never know. But i just dont think secco or ranieri are the best out there who would be interested in working for juventus...
And yeah I am nagging and pissed off with the way the club is at the moment, and seriously good for you that your happy with how things are, i wish i could say the same but i cant help my feelings, naturally i'm more pessimistic than yourself, i dont chose to be that way its just me
And yeah I am nagging and pissed off with the way the club is at the moment, and seriously good for you that your happy with how things are, i wish i could say the same but i cant help my feelings, naturally i'm more pessimistic than yourself, i dont chose to be that way its just me
maybe i am ungreatful!!
3rd was good last season and it was an achievement but i think a lot of it was down to the players. We'll see this season how good a manager ranieri is as it will be a lot tougher for him and there will be more pressure - i hope i'm wrong about him and I hope my feelings mean i have to take his name out of my sig...
3rd was good last season and it was an achievement but i think a lot of it was down to the players. We'll see this season how good a manager ranieri is as it will be a lot tougher for him and there will be more pressure - i hope i'm wrong about him and I hope my feelings mean i have to take his name out of my sig...
But I am not really happy about how things are because I know that we can do better in terms of management, coach, players and plans. I know there are better people out there and I know that it can't get any worse than season 2006/2007 and even then I took my trio to Turin and supported the team. I see our problems, I see the mistakes and I see the inefficiency but I still support the team and hope for the best.
See, i already achieved what i intended, although i didn't persuade you of my opinion. We're talking together, on a social level, without swearing around like some neanderthals. I'm fine with your ideas, although i don't agree.
Your analogy with that surgeon is a good try, but i think you're over valuating the things there. First of all, it's not like 'juve's surgery' was a live-or-die thing. We ALL knew (independently from whom was going to take over the club) that there had to be a process to reestablish a normal environment (get back to serie-a, get back players of high value). The only question was, who could bring us this in the shortest period of time. if you want so; who was the 'fastest' surgeon. Now choices have been made, and the surgeon is THAT one, and you can do nothing about it, and he proves you after one year, that although he has never accomplished any surgery alike, that his surgery is succeeding so far. Why not start to trust him? Why go on and keep insulting him, keep bashing him, why expecting him to be fired, when you don't even have an alternative whom you know 100% sure he's going to be better?
But it's alright, i understand your ideas, although i can't agree with them. Same things goes for Secco by the way... You're all saying he was too young, inexperienced, not smart enough, etc etc. This could be true from the outside, but NO ONE (not me, not you, not anyone else) knows what was going on behind the scenes. What if secco accomplished everything he was told to do? What if xabi never was the 1st objective to sign? what if ranieri clearly said he did not want xabi but poulsen? Look at what he does with our youth players, look at our stadium project... I mean you can complain about a lot of things, but you cannot say that our board, or any one in charge is ruining juventus.
Ranieri may not be a lippi, and secco might not be the best d.s. but i'm fine with that, because Lippi is not available, and i would NOT know who could replace secco right now at this moment (someone who's not already in charge somewhere else).
What i'm trying to say is that i think it has become a habit really to seek for the negative things happening. I'm not at all a ranieri-lover or so, but i look at it the following way; if ranieri, cobolli, secco and everyone can make this team improve every year, we'll be on the top in 2 or 3 years, and i'm perfectly fine with that. If they fail this season... well... they'll be gone, don't worry about that. But as we all know, you shouldn't change a winning team, and they may LOOK inexperienced, but they are 'winning' until now.
Your analogy with that surgeon is a good try, but i think you're over valuating the things there. First of all, it's not like 'juve's surgery' was a live-or-die thing. We ALL knew (independently from whom was going to take over the club) that there had to be a process to reestablish a normal environment (get back to serie-a, get back players of high value). The only question was, who could bring us this in the shortest period of time. if you want so; who was the 'fastest' surgeon. Now choices have been made, and the surgeon is THAT one, and you can do nothing about it, and he proves you after one year, that although he has never accomplished any surgery alike, that his surgery is succeeding so far. Why not start to trust him? Why go on and keep insulting him, keep bashing him, why expecting him to be fired, when you don't even have an alternative whom you know 100% sure he's going to be better?
But it's alright, i understand your ideas, although i can't agree with them. Same things goes for Secco by the way... You're all saying he was too young, inexperienced, not smart enough, etc etc. This could be true from the outside, but NO ONE (not me, not you, not anyone else) knows what was going on behind the scenes. What if secco accomplished everything he was told to do? What if xabi never was the 1st objective to sign? what if ranieri clearly said he did not want xabi but poulsen? Look at what he does with our youth players, look at our stadium project... I mean you can complain about a lot of things, but you cannot say that our board, or any one in charge is ruining juventus.
Ranieri may not be a lippi, and secco might not be the best d.s. but i'm fine with that, because Lippi is not available, and i would NOT know who could replace secco right now at this moment (someone who's not already in charge somewhere else).
What i'm trying to say is that i think it has become a habit really to seek for the negative things happening. I'm not at all a ranieri-lover or so, but i look at it the following way; if ranieri, cobolli, secco and everyone can make this team improve every year, we'll be on the top in 2 or 3 years, and i'm perfectly fine with that. If they fail this season... well... they'll be gone, don't worry about that. But as we all know, you shouldn't change a winning team, and they may LOOK inexperienced, but they are 'winning' until now.
Fair enough then our opinions are not really as far apart as i initially thought, and i have supported juventus ever since the day i first said the word football - 2006/07 was a nightmare, but my undying support was there from the start of the nightmare until the end and it always will be. The only difference is i complain more in this forum because i have to get my frustrations about things off my chest and i dont know anyone who watches or know's the slightest thing about italian football
Lol thanks for your advice old man!!!
Ditto I only wanted to talk properly at the start, i never swore in direct conversation with you only about ranieri - maybe it wasn't necessary but neither was the way that this topic was going prior to my comment with people insluting peoples nationality in a thread about ranieri??
The surgeon analogy was merely used to portray my opinion that you would want the best man for the job in such circumstances - although if emergency fell abviously you would have to accept who you got and give your undivided support. This in many cases has a parody with what happened to juve after calciopoli and we had to go with the people who were willing to help out - deschamps, blanc, secco, gigli and after a year ranieri. These charachters all deserve our support and respect i completely agree with you, but maybe i am a bit ruthless when i say we need to cut the weak links out to reach the level we need to be at and i accept that.
Overall the thing which is most annoying me about them at the moment is the 'our transfer marked is closed' phrase they keep feeding us. I think this is naive and as i dont think they have any plans to lie to us it's disappointing when we could do with quite a few more improvements - this is where the irritation is coming from at the moment although they have helped us improve over the last 2 years i'm not sure if this is the right way to go about it.
Lol thanks for your advice old man!!!
Ditto I only wanted to talk properly at the start, i never swore in direct conversation with you only about ranieri - maybe it wasn't necessary but neither was the way that this topic was going prior to my comment with people insluting peoples nationality in a thread about ranieri??
The surgeon analogy was merely used to portray my opinion that you would want the best man for the job in such circumstances - although if emergency fell abviously you would have to accept who you got and give your undivided support. This in many cases has a parody with what happened to juve after calciopoli and we had to go with the people who were willing to help out - deschamps, blanc, secco, gigli and after a year ranieri. These charachters all deserve our support and respect i completely agree with you, but maybe i am a bit ruthless when i say we need to cut the weak links out to reach the level we need to be at and i accept that.
Overall the thing which is most annoying me about them at the moment is the 'our transfer marked is closed' phrase they keep feeding us. I think this is naive and as i dont think they have any plans to lie to us it's disappointing when we could do with quite a few more improvements - this is where the irritation is coming from at the moment although they have helped us improve over the last 2 years i'm not sure if this is the right way to go about it.
What did you expect to do when you post comments such as those? Did you expect to receive praise and adoration? A medal? +rep? A cash prize voucher from Jack and the other mods?
Yes that makes sense because on this entire forum Vinman is the only member who is American. So by you making those comments about Americans, Vinman would the only one it would affect. Your logic is impeccable. You should honestly think before you type son.
And furthermore, if you do have opinions/comments about the U.S. then open a thread. There have been plenty of members here who feel the same as you do and I have given them the same advice. Actually I am pretty sure that 1/2 the work is probably already done for you, you may just have to find the thread.
Yes that makes sense because on this entire forum Vinman is the only member who is American. So by you making those comments about Americans, Vinman would the only one it would affect. Your logic is impeccable. You should honestly think before you type son.
And furthermore, if you do have opinions/comments about the U.S. then open a thread. There have been plenty of members here who feel the same as you do and I have given them the same advice. Actually I am pretty sure that 1/2 the work is probably already done for you, you may just have to find the thread.
