Claudio Ranieri (63 Viewers)

[Red]

Can't argue with much of that, Cronios.

Highlighting the important points is also a good idea.

I don't blame Ranieri for the handling of Criscito. He needed a stable environment in which to play every week and develop quicker and more fully, and Juventus couldn't offer that at the point that Criscito was put into the first team.

 

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[Cronios]

Can't argue with much of that, Cronios.

Highlighting the important points is also a good idea.

I don't blame Ranieri for the handling of Criscito. He needed a stable environment in which to play every week and develop quicker and more fully, and Juventus couldn't offer that at the point that Criscito was put into the first team.

Indeed, he needed that stable environment, but we got him anyway, Juve couldnt offer that at that particular moment and thats not CR's or Criscito's fault.
And yet, the way CR handled Criscito was not fair. Comparing the chances Criscito had and Molinaro had and the promise each of them has shown,
one can notice some great amount of bias here.
Criscito wasnt fielded against the lesser teams and he was thrown right away to the lions (Totti) and when he made a mistake, in a a game our entire team underperformed, he was not encouraged like CR did Moli, despite the countless mistakes, but he was thrown away. Criscito ought to be used with a more delicate way and ought to see some more encourage and trust. His age need it and his potential worth it! Let alone the sum we spent to get his half back.
IMO, Criscito was/is a strategical investment and an asset who was misused.
O am not at all pleased with the way CR handled Criscito, DC and Giovinco and i have reasons to believe he aimed for a similar treatment to Marchisio too...

Don't be a fool. Write as much as you want and don't give a damn about some comments about the lenght of your posts.
You don't really need to give excuses for the lenght of the post.

Apart from the fact that this criticism, on the post's length, comes from a part of the mods themselves. Many of the naysayers abuse it, as a non-argument, avoiding my argumentation indirectly...

And finally there are also some lazy members, i care for, who are practically unable to read this intimidating wall-text, due to the lack of patience/time/concentration.

 

[Red]

Indeed, he needed that stable environment, but we got him anyway, Juve couldnt offer that at that particular moment and thats not CR's or Criscito's fault.
And yet, the way CR handled Criscito was not fair. Comparing the chances Criscito had and Molinaro had and the promise each of them has shown,
one can notice some great amount of bias here.
Criscito wasnt fielded against the lesser teams and he was thrown right away to the lions (Totti) and when he made a mistake, in a a game our entire team underperformed, he was not encouraged like CR did Moli, despite the countless mistakes, but he was thrown away. Criscito ought to be used with a more delicate way and ought to see some more encourage and trust. His age need it and his potential worth it! Let alone the sum we spent to get his half back.
IMO, Criscito was/is a strategical investment and an asset who was misused.
O am not at all pleased with the way CR handled Criscito, DC and Giovinco and i have reasons to believe he aimed for a similar treatment to Marchisio too...

Ranieri certainly shouldn't have handled Criscito the way he did.

The only explanation I can give is that CB is a more crucial position and there is less room for error, but I don't really believe that was Ranieri's thinking in the situation.

Criscito shouldn't have been brought back when he was, he needed a season or two in Serie A before moving to Juve. He has had that now and hopefully he can fulfil his potential despite the way he was handled by Juve.

De Ceglie is a difficult one because it's unclear if he will end up a LM or a LB. Giovinco could have been used more, but I don't have any major issue with the way he was eased slowly into the first team. Marchisio is a bit different. He has continually established himself before the other youngsters and so it is possible Ranieri already had plans to use him more than the other young guys.

 

[Cronios]

Indeed CB is a crucial spot and CR and team were under enormous pressure there.

DC is being abused, he is not given a chance neither as LB or LM

And Giovinco has been punished on the sidelines for the 3/4 of the season,
there were many times than Neddy should rest his old bones, he was under-performing because of accumulated fatigue alone and giovinco was looking helpless from the bench. CR used only when his hand was forced to use him and now keeps using him only because Giovinco impressed against Chelsea and is imposed by public demand. What CR has done with him during the whole year, should not be easily forget!

Marchisio is older than them and he has been pretty impressive with us in serie B.
The acquisition of so many midfielders for depth, esp of Poulsen's is a clear indication that CR didnt had any plans to use him as regularly, as he was forced to use him. Imagine his chances of Poulsen was proved as good as CR hoped, or Zanetti was injured again, or Tiago finally made the impact his potential promised.
At any of these cases, Marchisio would have been a bench warmer like the rest...

 

[king Ale]

Apart from the fact that this criticism, on the post's length, comes from a part of the mods themselves. Many of the naysayers abuse it, as a non-argument, avoiding my argumentation indirectly...

And finally there are also some lazy members, i care for, who are practically unable to read this intimidating wall-text, due to the lack of patience/time/concentration.

Write in more paragraphs, use the "enter" key more and care more about our eyes
Sometimes it's getting too difficult not to lose the track of lines in your posts.

Denco too used to write his large posts without placing them in phrases and paragraphs but he's been getting better. He also was always being sneered at because of his huge posts and the interesting part is that the scoffer was the one you know

 

[Ahmed]

IIRC Tiago was on his way out, so Poulsen's signing made sense, especially since we had missed out on Xabi Alonso

 

[Red]

Indeed CB is a crucial spot and CR and team were under enormous pressure there.

DC is being abused, he is not given a chance neither as LB or LM

And Giovinco has been punished on the sidelines for the 3/4 of the season,
there were many times than Neddy should rest his old bones, he was under-performing because of accumulated fatigue alone and giovinco was looking helpless from the bench. CR used only when his hand was forced to use him and now keeps using him only because Giovinco impressed against Chelsea and is imposed by public demand. What CR has done with him during the whole year, should not be easily forget!

Marchisio is older than them and he has been pretty impressive with us in serie B.
The acquisition of so many midfielders for depth, esp of Poulsen's is a clear indication that CR didnt had any plans to use him as regularly, as he was forced to use him. Imagine his chances of Poulsen was proved as good as CR hoped, or Zanetti was injured again, or Tiago finally made the impact his potential promised.
At any of these cases, Marchisio would have been a bench warmer like the rest...

Giovinco should have been used more, there is no doubt about that. However, I don't think Ranieri has handled him as badly as some people have suggested.

I think Tiago is the one that really benefited from all the injuries. The club wanted rid of him and he would have been 5th choice CM. No doubt that Marchisio has played considerably more than was planned, but I think he has played at a higher level than any of us expected him to this season. It wasn't unreasonable to plan for him to be 4th choice central midfielder.

 

[Bjerknes]

IIRC Tiago was on his way out, so Poulsen's signing made sense, especially since we had missed out on Xabi Alonso

No, Poulsen's signing didn't make sense. Poulsen is a DM and Xabi Alonso is a player who can control the play. They're not the same player and hence his move didn't make any sense at all.

 

[Ahmed]

different kind of player yes, but position-wise? pretty similar

 

[Fellas]

Indeed CB is a crucial spot and CR and team were under enormous pressure there.

DC is being abused, he is not given a chance neither as LB or LM

And Giovinco has been punished on the sidelines for the 3/4 of the season,
there were many times than Neddy should rest his old bones, he was under-performing because of accumulated fatigue alone and giovinco was looking helpless from the bench. CR used only when his hand was forced to use him and now keeps using him only because Giovinco impressed against Chelsea and is imposed by public demand. What CR has done with him during the whole year, should not be easily forget!

Marchisio is older than them and he has been pretty impressive with us in serie B.
The acquisition of so many midfielders for depth, esp of Poulsen's is a clear indication that CR didnt had any plans to use him as regularly, as he was forced to use him. Imagine his chances of Poulsen was proved as good as CR hoped, or Zanetti was injured again, or Tiago finally made the impact his potential promised.
At any of these cases, Marchisio would have been a bench warmer like the rest...

Marchisio,De Ceglie,Criscito born 86 and Giovinco 87.. so Marchisio isent so much older.. We have alot of talents in this 4 guys.. I can easily se all of them in the starting eleven in the future.. Giovinco and Marchisio are ready now..

De Ceglie should get more chanses.. but he has been injured also so. He could become a great leftback.

Criscito wasent ready but he has more experience know so I hope he is called back in the summer.

I agree that Marchisio has had some luck with Poulsen not showing so much.. and Zanetti being injured alot.. but this is how its often goes..

Younger players must take their chances when they got them.. and I think thats what Marchisio and Giovinco has done..

We don't have alot of money.. and we can't buy so many worldclass players.. so hopefully many of our youngsters will have their chanses.

 

[Ahmed]

easily in the starting lineup? Marchisio and Giovinco should be starting now, but DC and Crisci have a lot more to do to show they are good enough to be starters at Juve

 

[Rollie]

Just like Molinaro did... you know... how he's proven his worth and all...
:burke:

 

[Bjerknes]

Yeah, seriously. Molinaro was given a free ride... why not DC for change?

 

[Rollie]

Yeah, seriously. Molinaro was given a free ride... why not DC for change?

Absolutely. DC is our LB of the future, and he needs the game experience now. In the next 2-3 weeks he needs to start getting some minutes... I think I remember him saying that he's almost ready to return.

 

[- vOnAm -]

game inexperienced can cause us points.

Even decent players with vast experience can make mistakes so I'm guessing decent/promising young players with little experience will make more.

I despise Mellberg at the moment.

 

[Cronios]

At some times and for some particular places on the field, we can afford taking such a risk, esp if we can benefit from such a risk in the future.
Last year for ex, we wasted an entire season with a completely useless player (Molinaro) who actively harmed our team, by offering nothing, only to allow him integrate and allowed become good enough, to become harmless.
A whole freakin season!!! And the benefits of we gained were minimal, because such a limited players will never reach the desired levels.

If we had done that at each and every game we could last year, n matter if we could afford it or not,
we ought to try more some of our very talented young players, who actually do have the potential to become great additions for our future (DC, Giovinco)
,given the chance, against the inferior teams at least, minimizing the risks.

At this point we cannot afford a full squad of exp and valuable players.
therefore we are forced to field some of lower quality along with them.
But we have to make sure that the proportion of the low quality players, remains a minority. This is why our team suffers, because unfortunately, many of those low quality players are starters (molinaro, grygera, Marchionni)
which makes it even more difficult to tolerate even more, or survive without our difference makers in a good day. We intentionally negletted the quality percentage of our starters and we know have to live with that and the consequences...

 

[David01]

what the hell does ' Coach with winning mentality' mean? is there a football Coach in this galaxy who trains his team to go out and lose?

a coach who has actually won something in his career
and yeah Ranieri can win the title, coppa and even cl next year but it would have taken him 30 years to win anything
sure he has won his coppa but over all he comes in second best troughout his career
a winning mentality means you are determined to be best all the time and Ranieri clearly doesn't have that
a man like Ferguson has won everything he can with his shitty team but still he wants more, that's what I call winning mentality
he keeps on going even tough he has nothing to prove anymore

 

[icemaη]

Even a man like Fergusson couldn't stop his defence making mistakes... (I'm not trying to make a point here, Ferguson is a great coach)...
You can't use the past to glorify or nullify your present... some things don't work out for people and sometimes things take more time than usual... Lets say Mourinho wins this Serie A and then wins nothing else for the rest of his career.. will that make him a loser coach? Under Spalletti Roma has been playing very good football, but still he hasn't won anything (barring a super coppa), does that make him a loser coach?
It might just be that Ranieri never actually got a chance to manage a top side, with top players... He almost got it with Chelsea but he was not allowed to continue...
Lets face it, the Juventus we have now isn't exactly brimming with talent... Yes, Ranieri has made tactical mistakes, a bunch of it infact... But sometimes the players bail out the coach and his mistakes don't seem evident... That will not happen with this Juve side, because we don't have enough talent...

Some players leave it late to blossom (Amauri, Toni etc being examples)... The same can happen to a coach can't it? My point being that Ranieri has done all that is possible with this squad... He has made mistakes but the players haven't exactly made his job easier...

 

[Cronios]

Last year it did happened when DP and Nedved single handed won some games for CR and made up for his mistakes, making the difference by them selves and change the normal course of action, CR's plan imposed...
BUT, CR benefited an unnecessary credit because of the effects of the favorable results in the end, so it is only fair to be harshly judged later, when he would have even more tools at his hands, from the same people then (after failing to win the championship next year for ex).

I am not one of them, since i dont judge by the result alone, but it is not fair to allow CR the privilege of being always right, by always looking things from the perspective that suits him the most...

 

[v1rtu4l]

i am really tired of this nonsense ... winning mentality ? ranieri always tells the players and the press to keep on improving and always giving their best. how can one say, that he does not always try to be the best ? take your spaletti who only makes excuses when they get humiliated again and again or take ancelotti who does lose a champions league final after leading 3-0 at half time .... surely ancelotti is a winner and did not make a mistake there.

individual errors costs us many games and if you claim that del piero and nedved did rescue us last season, than mourinho must be a real loser, because he always needs ibrahimovic to rescue his useless tactics.

ranieri does what he is able too, but the fans don't make it easier for him ... our champions do not make it easy too. del piero can not be left out without risking a rift and so ranieri keeps playing him even when he does make many individual errors which would lead to goals, if alex was a defender. nedveds playing time is mostly because it is his last season with us and claudio does not want to spoil his last season by just sitting on the bench.

too many del piero fans here and to few football / juve fans =/