Claudio Ranieri (66 Viewers)

[beemoeasy]

Excuse me but what is funny about the above formation? If you want to win football matches you have to be brave enough to take risks and what is this obsession with stopping the opponent instead of believing in your own abilities?

this is ridiculous

playing giovinco in a 3 man midfield is suicide. there would have been no need to bring on gio for neddy when we already had 3 strikers on the pitch, and still had 80+ mins to go

gio played well when he came on but remember he came on for a forward and played as a forward.

 

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[beemoeasy]

Let me pose a question to you, as I have not seen much of our current league games but why was Amauri on the bench instead of Trzeguet is he in bad form?

yes he is in relatively poor form.

 

[Cronios]

We started with an offensive 4-4-3 scheme, because 3 of our wingers were not available, our main DM, Sissoko too and because were already a goal down...
Against a very compact team of superior quality that proved extremely hard to brake at the first leg.
CR had no other options, but to field that scheme!!
Our players knew that the whole Europe is watching them and this single game was their only change of achieving smth great for this season.
Therefore they were all so determined, focused and efficient, all of them were unusually effective, even the subs.

We started the game pretty good and Chelsea was in panic, we should keep the pressure and force their defense to do even more mistakes.
The already started to be mistake prone.
We achieved the early goal we so much needed, a great morale booster, just like we needed, esp after the Neddy loss.
We had the initiative, the momentum and Chelsea only had a passive role in the game.
-Introducing the useless both offensively and defensively Salih was a mistake.
Esp when we had to score at least 2 and practically 3 goals (we were bound to concede one anyway)
-Not giving more playing time, to Giovinco, during the season and esp now after those injuries was a mistake. The more we use, the better he adapts, the more useful will be and the less we risk.
That affected CR choices in this and other games...
-Not starting Amauri for Iaquinta, was a mistake...
-Giving the order to pull back, after the goal without DM, with this formation and those pitiful defenders was a huge mistake. CR's intention was to reach the HT and probably even the extra time or the penalties with the extremely fragile 1-0 lead...
He chose to concede intiative and give Chelsea the necessary room to breathe, hope and threaten us.
We couldnt defend the lead under those circumstances. CR should rather turn Iaq into a wide RM/RAM and Gio as a direct sub to Neddy. If he wanted an attacking 4-4-2 and take advantage of Chelsea's luck of flankers
or Use Marchisio as LM and bring in a DM, if he wanted to defend the lead with a more defensive 4-4-2 scheme.
Salih and this formation was just plain stupid...
-Subbing out Treze under those circumstances was a mistake, i m sure that CR had in mind to turn this 4-3-3 into a 4-4-2 eventually and Treze's+Iaq's subs were pre-made in his mind. (maybe because But he didnt consider the ongoing result and our needs on the field atm... Treze, his jersey/name mostly, was still a threat to Chelsea and a reason that some of them were still guarding their rear, it is not a coincidence that we conceded soon right after we subbed him out. We had nothing more to lose there...
Amauri should come in as an extra offensive edge, subbing out a more defensive player, like Salih for ex, i see more use for an Amauri used as RM, than an Amauri used as CF to replace a finisher, right then. Amauri is less prolific than Treze (esp lately), but more creative. We already replaced an offensive midfielder (Neddy) for a defensive one (Salih), a forward (iaquinta) for a midfielder (Giovinco)
and then we go even more defensive and bring in a SS for a full fledged CF/finisher.

Judging by the subs, it looks like we were defending a lead, instead of trying to achieve one...
Even worse, the defensive effectiveness has totally failed, miserable, we still conceded 2 goals and that was mostly because we conceded the initiative and momentum, with those defensive subs and mentality...

CR was indecisive, he neither attacked with everything we had, either defended effectively. Why? Because he was afraid, because he is a coward against pressure, a pure loser...
We tried to defend the lead, with an offensive formation, offensive minded players and defensive tactics... Fail!!

Our chances were slim anyway, CR only ensured that they were minimal...
The injuries affected his tactics more than his choices, for that, his blame is only marginal and indirect... but it doesnt mean that his choices were anyplace near optimal. And he should not take any credit for our player's heroic performances, caused by their individual determination.
This is not an anti-CR rant, but takes too much praise for nothing...

 

[denco]

this is ridiculous

playing giovinco in a 3 man midfield is suicide. there would have been no need to bring on gio for neddy when we already had 3 strikers on the pitch, and still had 80+ mins to go

gio played well when he came on but remember he came on for a forward and played as a forward.

So you saw Sali's contribution to be very effective did you?

I do not know what you mean by suicide as going out is going out whether its 2-2 or 5-5.

Where did i say that Gio should have come on as a midfielder but all the time you read Ranieri say he is a second striker giving excuses why he will not play him?

Are you not tired of hearing very good players cannot play together? Dp- Baggio, Dp- Totti, Dp- Cassano etc

How much better Italian sides would have been if these guys were played more often as Totti and Cassano worked like a dream, Dp and Cassano looked very good in Euro 2004

But I saw Dp and Gio combine delightfully and the move that brought the save off Trez by Cech involved both of them and the move of the match.

In Italy they are reluctant to play creative forwards but Rooney and Tevez made it work but the mentality is different in Italy where they are more interested in not conceding than scoring.

Funny how they have no reservations about playing 2 talentless players in the midfield though

 

[beemoeasy]

So you saw Sali's contribution to be very effective did you?

Where did i say that Gio should have come on as a midfielder but all the time you read Ranieri say he is a second striker giving excuses why he will not play him?

i wouldve preferred to have had poulsen come on for nedved, but sali wasnt bad. people on this forum see what they want to see, eg. why they say molinaro is so bad, when he was voted the best juve player a couple of months ago on juventus.com

so youre saying that gio shouldve come on for nedved, but gio shouldnt have played in midfield? wha formation would that have been - tiago and marchisio alone in midfield?!

 

[beemoeasy]

Our players knew that the whole Europe is watching them and this single game was their only change of achieving smth great for this season.
Therefore they were all so determined, focused and efficient, all of them were unusually effective, even the subs.

by that logic every time we play in a knockout game we should see the same determination we saw last night...that obviously isnt the case

-Not starting Amauri for Iaquinta, was a mistake...

well IQ was one of the best players on the pitch

-Giving the order to pull back

this never happened. games naturally ebb and flow.

and probably even the extra time or the penalties with the extremely fragile 1-0 lead...

this is where your anti-ranieri bias comes in... so you know he was going for the 1-0 win huh?

 

[Cronios]

by that logic every time we play in a knockout game we should see the same determination we saw last night...that obviously isnt the case

We dont play a win or die CL semi everyday...
If you ask any player to name just one important game in the season, he will pick up a derby of great importance and TV coverage.
I dont think that we played a derby of greater importance or TV coverage this year, rather than the 2nd leg of the CL semi against the CL finalist...

well IQ was one of the best players on the pitch

Every single player that started or introduced as a sub, played a remarkable good game, considering his average performances.
Because of the extra determination this match has given to them.
Therefore we should rather consider their potential.

this never happened. games naturally ebb and flow.

It did happened we he told them to calm down.

this is where your anti-ranieri bias comes in... so you know he was going for the 1-0 win huh?

He does that every single time he has the chance and he tried to do that time again...

 

[denco]

i wouldve preferred to have had poulsen come on for nedved, but sali wasnt bad. people on this forum see what they want to see, eg. why they say molinaro is so bad, when he was voted the best juve player a couple of months ago on juventus.com

so youre saying that gio shouldve come on for nedved, but gio shouldnt have played in midfield? wha formation would that have been - tiago and marchisio alone in midfield?!

Yes thats is just genius Marchisio, Tiago and Poulsen in a game we had to win by 2 clear goals.

Who voted Molinaro Juve's best player and how many people voted that are not his relatives?

Formation? who gives a monkeys when you are going for goals. Please far too much emphasis is placed on tactics and formation. There is nothing wrong with players attacking and defending as a team. The place was jumping and Chelsea were on the ropes but as usual we let up and they score cos they have enough quality to score goals.

United and Roma did not let up and got 3 each, anyways we are out and for me will never win anything with mentality such as this.

 

[Snoop]

wow! too much bullshit is flying in the air in the forums these days, everyone praising Ranieri and making him a hero. You lose 1-0 away, and you play 4-3-3 home? Give me a fucking break!! I was scared of this 2 weeks ago, that we play offensive, and the comical Ali did it!! See the difference between Lippi and Ranieri, remember how we killed Barcelona and Real Madrid years ago? This is how you kill opponent, with TACTICS, something Ranieri lacks.. We should have played for 1-0, against one goal we should have scored 3, but yet we conceded two goals.

It's pathetic that we have a huge talent like Giovinco, but the comical Ali prefers to keep him on bench, and he plays Salihamidzic instead
As for strikers, he takes off Iaquinta, but he says later he was tired, ok let me buy that bullshit, but why do you take off Trezeguet ffs?? And as for Zebina, I don't know if he was injured or not, but why we didn't use him?? If he was fit, then that's another rubbish decision..

Firing Ranieri will be harsh? yeah give me a fucking break.. Another year with him means one more year to waste..

 

[swag]

@ Comical Ali.

Yeah. Sali didn't do anything wrong per se. But he contributed zero to the main objective of the match: scoring two goals to win it. And it's not his fault... that's not his strong suit of a gameplan.

How he had a sweet inside position in the box near the end of the match yesterday and just fettered the opportunity away was pretty much exemplary. I can't fault the guy because he was called in for the wrong role. So that I have to question the decision to put him in under the circumstances.

That said, the boys did well. Even Ranieri didn't do so badly given how many constraints he had to live under. Everyone makes some mistakes. I'd rather give this armchair post-match analysis a rest though. We likely wouldn't have fared well through another knockout round anyway.

 

[Snoop]

Greg! Even thou we lacked quality last night, but our boys made me proud as well, the performance was great, the fighting spirit was great, 3 or 4 good players would have made this squad great, and specially defenders, our back line was Mellberg, Grygera and Molinaro after the Chiellini exit, that was a tragedy! But anyway, the main thing we lacked was a good tactician on the bench. We should have played like this in London and not Torino, we should have scored at least a goal in London, and we should never concede a goal in Torino, but he did the exact opposite. That explains everything about him..

 

[swag]

We were lucky in London for not surrendering 2 goals or more, IMO. And given what we saw yesterday, I fail to believe this squad couldn't have done better in London.

But hey -- them's the breaks.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I am tired of hearing that comparison to be honest. Can someone Wikipedia "Juve Material" please, some of us are curious to know what constitutes as someone that is Juve material or is not.

its a insulation product used by construction workers in new buildings

 

[beemoeasy]

Yes thats is just genius Marchisio, Tiago and Poulsen in a game we had to win by 2 clear goals.

but also del piero, trezeguet and iq, plus 90 mins, plus 3 subs to change things when urgency arises.

Formation? who gives a monkeys when you are going for goals. Please far too much emphasis is placed on tactics and formation. There is nothing wrong with players attacking and defending as a team.

your formation wouldve looked like this:

marchisio tiago
giovinco
iaquinta trez del piero

that formation should stay in football manager!

 

[beemoeasy]

wow! too much bullshit is flying in the air in the forums these days, everyone praising Ranieri and making him a hero. You lose 1-0 away, and you play 4-3-3 home? Give me a fucking break!! I was scared of this 2 weeks ago, that we play offensive, and the comical Ali did it!! See the difference between Lippi and Ranieri, remember how we killed Barcelona and Real Madrid years ago? This is how you kill opponent, with TACTICS, something Ranieri lacks..

for two years now weve punched above our weight against teams much stronger and with better squads than ours...this is not a coincidence. last season we were unbeaten against the other big teams, and this season only lost to inter 1-0.

now youre criticising the choice for a 433 because it was too attacking, but at the same time you wanted giovinco to come on instead of brazzo?!! thats just stupid

 

[Snoop]

for two years now weve punched above our weight against teams much stronger and with better squads than ours...this is not a coincidence. last season we were unbeaten against the other big teams, and this season only lost to inter 1-0.

now youre criticising the choice for a 433 because it was too attacking, but at the same time you wanted giovinco to come on instead of brazzo?!! thats just stupid

Does that even make a sense?

 

[beemoeasy]

read it again....

i.e. you wanted ranieri to play a conservative formation (not a 433), but wanted an offensive substitution 10 mins in. its a contradiction.

 

[Snoop]

err you read it again. I wanted more defensive formation, and I wanted Giovinco to be a first team player. I can give you as much as formation you want with Giovinco inside of it and less offensive than a 4-3-3. So before you fart for the sake of it, think twice and see who is stupid and who isn't..

 

[beemoeasy]

this isnt going anywhere. all i will say is a 433 was the right formation, because we had to put pressure on chelsea, and everyone saw how well we played. their defensive formation showed it was the right thing to do. dont forget we conceded the second with 10 men. have a good day and forza juve.

 

[Snoop]

you can't play with 3 attackers front when you have Grygera - mellberg - Chiellini - Molinaro at back and specially if you lost 1-0 away, this is not a league match. We tried and failed, end of!